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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by siggyfreud
Well my car came supercharged, I just upgrade other components. And I do all the work myself so I save cash there. If you did all the work yourself, or with a buddy, you could probably get blown for 4k.

MPG wise my mileage didn't suffer at all during 90% of my driving. It actually got better as I upgraded my shortblock to a lower-compression forged block. But with the boost bypass, the supercharger sucks very little power. I'm sure in boost I'm sucking it down 2x as fast as before. But on the highway I can still see 22-24 if I'm nice.
I have very limited engine knowledge but I think I could get it done if I had a week or so to give me time to troubleshoot.

Originally Posted by Vader GT
Roush understood about the financial status, I was there (college-a long time ago...LOL). N2O will get you what you want, I'm just not a big fan. My BEST advise (if your going the N2O route) is get a CUSTOM tune! While this may run you up to $500, IMO it's well worth it. Good luck & let us know.

I see you live in Ga, if you're close to Jacksonville, I know about 3 very good tuners down here.
I am about 3 hours from Jacksonville but it would probably be worth it if I was to need a tune. I was actually with my girlfriend at their condo in Fernandina last weekend. I wish I could live down there!
Old Jun 3, 2011 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 808muscle
In most states its illegal to have that bottle hooked up. FI is the way to go. Its been said for years, I heard it and never believed it till I crossed over. I don't watch mpg, I just fill with premium and continue the fun.
fuuuu, I forgot about that law :/
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One more thing, a Pro-charger for about $3500 is NOT a complete kit, it's the tuner kit so there will be more out of pocket $$$$. I would get a complete intercooled kit, probably closer to 5K. Paxton/Procharger/Vortech, or any reputable company now a day have done a very good job at "putting everything together" that is needed.

You can also keep an eye out for a used kit, they usually go for around 3K from any of those companies above.
I was talking about a used kit for $3500 or less. If you see anyone selling one, please send them my way. I couldn't buy it right now unless they would accept a payment plan or something, but I would still like to know how often kits like that come onto the market.



EDIT: Is it possible to put a 99-04 supercharger kit on the s197? I see a lot more of those for sale than I do s197 kits.

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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Roush05
If I am only going to need/use the juice once every blue moon when I race someone from a stoplight or take the car to the track, does it make sense for me to get a n20 kit vs. a supercharger? I know fill ups add up, but I honestly think i want a supercharger more than I 'need' it.

First - street racing is stupid, take it to the track where you aren't putting other people in danger who didn't choose to participate. Nitrous is a track mod only, not a street tool.

With nitrous you have to TURN THE BOTTLE ON so do you plan to say "hold on, I have to jump out of the car, open the trunk, and turn on my nitrous? It isn't something that you hook up and leave turned on with the pressure pushing on the solenoid all the time. It will start to leak and the solenoid will probably fail early due to the pressure.

Running nitrous is great though - I had it on my car for awhile and it is very addicting. From that first pass at the track I couldn't wait to make another pass. But it gets to be expensive. On a 75 shot I could get about 10 track passes at the most - and by the 8th one the bottle pressure was an issue. At $4 a pound that made every track visit expensive.

While the kit you are looking at sounds cheap, it is the other accessories that you will want that start to add up. The bottle heater, purge kit, blow down tube, and wiring in the new stuff - everything starts to add up. If you don't want to jump out of your car to turn on the bottle, then add in more $$ for a remote bottle opener and more wiring work.

The supercharger is always ready when you need it, and you can stay light on the throttle and pretty much stay out of boost. It is more reliable because you don't have to remember to turn it on, have it heated properly for pressure, check the pressure, arm the system, and then try to remember when you last filled the bottle and how many passes you put on it, and then at the track you burnout - pre stage - purge - stage - launch.

The other issue I had with nitrous was finding a place to fill the bottle, especially early or late in the racing season.
Old Jun 3, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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Nitrous is a lot cheaper.. until you blow up your engine.. then it gets expensive Hurts resale a little too.
Old Jun 3, 2011 | 09:49 PM
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With a proper tune - and not getting greedy with the shot - nitrous can be safe. One thing I forgot to add to the list of parts you need in addition to the nitrous kit itself is the window switch. After an improper tune the next reason that nitrous will blow the engine is spraying at too low an rpm. The window switch allows you to set a minimum rpm before the signal will go to the nitrous controller to allow the solenoid to open up.

Even with the Zex kit (and others but I'm familiar with the Zex I had) you need the window switch. The Zex control module says that it learns wide open throttle and won't start to spray until it sees WOT - it will read WOT very low in the rpm range. I was at Grand Bend Ontario one night, had the system armed at the tree before I had the window switch installed, pre staged and brought the rpm's up to about 1,500 and the system read me as being at WOT and fired off. Scared the crap out of me to suddenly have the car launch unexpectedly.

So while the initial kit is cheaper, once you start to add up the other things that you need to run nitrous safely and the cost of refilling the bottle, it begins to get expensive.

So nitrous itself won't blow up the engine. I ran it for two seasons and a LOT of track passes before I put the blower on the car - and when I put the blower on the car I had 90,000 miles on the engine. I have 173,000 miles on this same engine now and it still runs great.

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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Roush05
EDIT: Is it possible to put a 99-04 supercharger kit on the s197? I see a lot more of those for sale than I do s197 kits.
The lower intake will be different as well as the air intake to the throttle, so no, not without a lot of fabrication work - and then you have to find someone competent to tune it.
Old Jun 3, 2011 | 09:59 PM
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if you have N2O, you can make steamed rice. lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyiWu-dD1po
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Like u I was looking for a cheaper way to get some major hp. The zex kit that I looked at was from brenspeed for around 1k but it came with everything. They talked me out of it and im happy they did. I have a saleen supercharger which produces boost in lower rpms. It leaves a grin on my face from ear to ear. My mpg on the interstate and traveling is around 22 to 24 and in town i can get around 18 with out sprited driving. I have cams with my supercharger so that effects my mpg alot. Plus I have 410s. I couldnt be happier but if your budget is gonna be tight. U may want to reconsider. If u decide to get a supercharger u need to really study the different kinds and brands before you do it. I would suggest not to buy the cheapest just bc its cheaper.
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Originally Posted by JimC
First - street racing is stupid, take it to the track where you aren't putting other people in danger who didn't choose to participate. Nitrous is a track mod only, not a street tool.
I read your whole post but I just wanted to hit on this one point. I agree that street racing is stupid, but there's no hurt in giving someone a little show. I don't mean going 120 mph; more like 0-60 ish, if that.

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Like u I was looking for a cheaper way to get some major hp. The zex kit that I looked at was from brenspeed for around 1k but it came with everything. They talked me out of it and im happy they did. I have a saleen supercharger which produces boost in lower rpms. It leaves a grin on my face from ear to ear. My mpg on the interstate and traveling is around 22 to 24 and in town i can get around 18 with out sprited driving. I have cams with my supercharger so that effects my mpg alot. Plus I have 410s. I couldnt be happier but if your budget is gonna be tight. U may want to reconsider. If u decide to get a supercharger u need to really study the different kinds and brands before you do it. I would suggest not to buy the cheapest just bc its cheaper.
I have been suggested a centrifugal supercharger like a procharger because my end goal for this car is only 500 bhp. A plus to that is that procharger setups can be had for relatively cheap.

What kind of numbers are you making with your Saleen?
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Originally Posted by Roush05
I read your whole post but I just wanted to hit on this one point. I agree that street racing is stupid, but there's no hurt in giving someone a little show. I don't mean going 120 mph; more like 0-60 ish, if that.



I have been suggested a centrifugal supercharger like a procharger because my end goal for this car is only 500 bhp. A plus to that is that procharger setups can be had for relatively cheap.

What kind of numbers are you making with your Saleen?
Im make 438 to the wheels and 406tq.

I too thought long and hard about centri but the more i thought about and researched the more I swayed myself away from that and to a twinscrew. I can understand wanting to get more power for less but in the end u have to be happy with your set up since it is a fare amount of cash being spent. Im not trying persuade you either way but be sure its something u want. In my case I will keep the car for a long time so I surely wanted something that I liked and not something I wish I would have gotten



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