I'd say less than 5% is accurate as for the amount who do engine based modifications. However, to assume all of that 4.75% decided to go in for entire engine replacements is insane lol. Most of the cars probably are running simple tunes and small mods, while some would be more extreme modifications. On top of that, most of those with these mods haven't had failures.

I mean lets pretend that 10% of modding people both had the ***** to take their car in to a dealership knowing their product is what created the problem, AND they completely grenaded the engine. (I think this still, is a gross over-exaggeration)

That means that 166 units had engines replaced for the wrong reasons.

Grand total out of pocket is: $996,000 per year.

Annual Ford profit came in at $6,600,000,000 for 2010. (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...d-profit_N.htm)

So, these mods are costing Ford.....drum roll please....

.0001509%

While I agree that still $996K is a lot per year, it's a drop in a lake. And hell, this is still assuming that 1 in 10 people who modded their car needed an entire engine replacement...think about that. Lol.

 

I would say close to 35% (12,250) are actually modifying (Tuning) their new 5.0s. Reason, 25 (or a lot more) Engine Tuners/Companies are not vying for 1,750 customers. They couldn’t stay in business.

Ford has about 3,100 Dealerships, if every other one had one person a year who modified their 5.0 Mustang and “grenaded” it and wanted Ford to fix it that would be 1,550 units @ $6,000.00 each or $9,300,000.

I’ll tell you again, The bean counters are not going to let that happen!

Ford Took a beating on Modified 6.0s and 6.4s and they have resolved not to repeat that.

The New 5.0 is pushing the limit in stock trim. Mustang Fans asked for that?

 

I mean lets play with new numbers then and we still only have less than 2/10th of a percent of pure profit, let alone revenue.

I agree bean counter will be bean counters.

To be honest, until any comparison numbers come out that can statistically prove that tuned engines are by a good margin, more likely to have this problem, it still might be that tunes really have nothing to do with this. If it is indeed an issue with the oil distribution, we should see similar turn outs from stock owners and tuned owners.

Unfortunately Ford would never release numbers if they do favor the fact that it's a defect anyway. Unless they're forced to because of the need of a recall of course.

 

So far we haven't seen anyone with a stock engine having the #8 hole problem post anywhere, only My friends Halfbrothers Cousins Friend. Please post a link to any person that has posted about THEIR personal, totally stock, they bought new 5.0 with the #8 hole problem that you know about!

 

Hey pdonket, give me $10.00. Shouldn't be a big deal to you right? I just want $10 bucks.

Oh wait, my buddy wants $10 bucks too. Come to think of it I have a few more friends that need $10.

It should only amount to couple hundred bucks. Chump change right? You down for that?

 

Go ahead and talk to Doug at Brenspeed. He's the one I talked to and referred to the fact that he's had an experience with someone who had it happen on a stock car. Could be true, could be false. That's where my info is coming from though.

Oh, by the way, they wouldn't issue a TSB if this wasn't a legitimate issue for those other than those who modify. They would just tell people with the issue that they don't warrant fixing it....not explain the flaw that could happen on an unmodified mustang...lol. Use logic here.

You're covering your eyes if you think looking at forum posts for people with stock cars that have this issue is the best way to survey. People belong to mustang forums because they ask advice about modification almost always.

 

I'm not saying inefficiency is appropriate or corruption is appropriate.

To create an analogy to what I'm saying, our judicial system puts it on the prosecution to prove without a reasonable doubt, that the defendant is indeed guilty. Why is that? Because society would rather imprison too few who are guilty, in order to make sure that many fewer innocent people are imprisoned.

The point I'm trying to make is that I simply firmly believe that Ford should have to make clear beyond reasonable doubt, that a mod is exactly what caused a part failure. Subsequently, Ford should also not be able to void an entire power-train warranty because you modified the engine. This overlooks potential manufacturing defects that could've happened with or without those modifications.

 

This situation is really basic. What does Ford warranty?

They warranty what they built, as it was built.

If you change it and modify it why should they warranty that changed item? It isn't their work anymore. They still have to show it was the modification that caused the problem and not their work, but as the one who modified the engine/tune you introduced the unknown element into the equation and that is a risk that we take when we mod our cars.

 

In any case, I'm done here good debating with y'all but ultimately we'll all continue to believe different things and that won't change. And stealerships will be stealerships in my book.

Got bigger things to take care of than trying to convince all of you of something you don't want to believe. Whether it's true or false.

Cya round in other threads

 

People visit/join sites like this for many reasons. The first Automotive site I joined was the Diesel Place. Because I had a 1994 Chevy 6.5TD that had been giving me trouble for almost as long as I had it! I joined Ford Truck sites because I wanted to fid people with like interests. Mustang site because I have a great car and I've never owned a car before so I might pick up some good info on the GT500! The #8 hole issue seen to be very small even with programmed 5.0s, 10 or 12 vehicles across the whole country. Until someone posts the exact issue with a totally stock car I have to say it’s a non issue with them.