Experimental Liquid Cooling System (Just An Idea)
07-09-2011, 10:07 AM
#21
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I have my chemicals. It was used to cool and boost WWII aircraft engines. I'm keeping it secret for now, but my friend who took AP chemistry says its a go for testing. I just need to find a way to compress the 2 gas elements into liquid form, and the liquid element controlled. I'm going to buy a cheap 4cyl engine to test my theory on.
07-09-2011, 02:07 PM
#24
I have my chemicals. It was used to cool and boost WWII aircraft engines. I'm keeping it secret for now... I just need to find a way to compress the 2 gas elements into liquid form, and the liquid element controlled. I'm going to buy a cheap 4cyl engine to test my theory on.
For example, the P47 mounted the P&W R2800 (called "double wasp" for two rows of radial cylinders) used water injection and the water injected versions made around as much as 2500 BHP shaft. There were other versions of this very same engine that pushed 2800 BHP shaft without any cooling injection shots.
A more massive engine from P&W was both turbochaged and supercharged, the R4360 (called "wasp major"). This engine was mounted on the B36, first intercontinental bomber, last of the massivlely produced piston engine bombers for overall military bomber service. To my knowledge, the R4360 never used any sort of cooling injection shots.
Injection shots are not always needed to produce massive power or adequate cooling as demonstrated by the aircraft piston engine history. And that is probably why very very very few production cars ever had such equipment.
But if you want such a thing for your car, I believe you can order such kits:
Kits for cars: http://www.coolingmist.com/
Some info about water/methanol/alcohol cooling shots:
The wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_i..._%28engines%29
Just some food for thought: going to a more alcohol fuel, such as methanol or ethanol, will make your engine run much cooler. Alcohols are much more combustible than gasolines and when such fuel enters the combustion chamber and hit the hot cylinder walls and combustion chambers, they very quickly draw heat out of them thus cooling the engine block. And becuase you have to dump considerably more of such a fuel into the cylinder, the increased mass of that fuel draws out more heat.
The only draw back is that alcohol fuels are very mileage inefficient. Do not expect to get 20MPG from going such a fuel. You will have to mix it with gasoline, as much as 85% or 90% gasoline (E15 & E10) to help preserve the usual fuel economy. BTW, most summertime gas blends at the pump are about a E10 blend.
I took AP chemistry also. And when I went to college, I also took 3 courses of chem as part of my engineering studies.
Despite all these courses I took, I am far from being a chemist and I would never attempt such endeavor without doing proper calculations first.
I know, calculations do not replace real live testing, but doing calculations first also make sure you do not kill yourself when you get to the actual testing.
Look at how Ford does it: They first design on paper first, well in computer (CAD), they do calculations and virtual testing first (again in CAD), and then they attempt live testing on actual hardware and designed prototypes.
07-09-2011, 03:21 PM
#27
Never mind all that. They are saying it wrong to you.
What they are saying is just do not blowing yourself up or otherwise hurt yourself just for an experiment.
And most of all, don't listen to someone who only took AP chem. You are best talking to a licensed engineer and a degreed PHD chemist.
Don't try to compress gas into a liquid form without the proper equipment using the proper procedures. If anything, just buy the gas in liquid form. When I was in college, the university NEVER compressed its own gas into liquid; they purchased it in liquid form already.
What they are saying is just do not blowing yourself up or otherwise hurt yourself just for an experiment.
And most of all, don't listen to someone who only took AP chem. You are best talking to a licensed engineer and a degreed PHD chemist.
Don't try to compress gas into a liquid form without the proper equipment using the proper procedures. If anything, just buy the gas in liquid form. When I was in college, the university NEVER compressed its own gas into liquid; they purchased it in liquid form already.
07-09-2011, 03:49 PM
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Never mind all that. They are saying it wrong to you.
What they are saying is just do not blowing yourself up or otherwise hurt yourself just for an experiment.
And most of all, don't listen to someone who only took AP chem. You are best talking to a licensed engineer and a degreed PHD chemist.
Don't try to compress gas into a liquid form without the proper equipment using the proper procedures. If anything, just buy the gas in liquid form. When I was in college, the university NEVER compressed its own gas into liquid; they purchased it in liquid form already.
What they are saying is just do not blowing yourself up or otherwise hurt yourself just for an experiment.
And most of all, don't listen to someone who only took AP chem. You are best talking to a licensed engineer and a degreed PHD chemist.
Don't try to compress gas into a liquid form without the proper equipment using the proper procedures. If anything, just buy the gas in liquid form. When I was in college, the university NEVER compressed its own gas into liquid; they purchased it in liquid form already.
