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Old Dec 29, 2011 | 10:15 AM
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Yes, adding a custom tune/CAI from a reputable company will add instant performance gain and you will feel the difference instantly! I would highly recommend Brenspeed or American Muscle, which are two very reputable companies. AM does offer free tunes for life. When you order the tuner, it comes with 3 custom tunes and you will notice the power band difference between each tune.

If I recall correctly, if you choose to purchase a custom tune ONLY and decide to purchase a CAI at a later time, you may need to order a new tune for the CAI.

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Old Dec 29, 2011 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ski
Hmmm......those numbers appear curiously high for an 05-10 Mustang GT, assuming you're referring to rwhp and rwtq. Do you have any SAE corrected dyno charts** to back them up?

**Non-SAE corrected charts, performance mods in addition to a tune + CAI, and "before and after" charts from different vehicles or vehicles with different trannies DNQ.
This was my baseline with just a 93 tune and some ceramic-coated shorties. No CAI, pullies or any other bolt-ons:

https://mustangforums.com/forum/memb...94-dyno-1.html

In case the pic doesn't show, she pulled 289whp/307wtq.


...EDIT: added the link to the dyno.

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Old Dec 29, 2011 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by moochman4life
This was my baseline with just a 93 tune and some ceramic-coated shorties. No CAI, pullies or any other bolt-ons:



In case the pic doesn't show, she pulled 289whp/307wtq.
Pic didn't show.

Are you saying your car picked up 38 rwhp/30 rwtq from a tune and shorties?
That means your bone stock GT developed only 251 rwhp, which is abnormally anemic for a manual. It's more typical of an auto. Perhaps the baseline run was made with the engine fully warmed up, and the hood closed so the ECU could pull timing and cause the engine to develop an atypical and unrepresentative low baseline rwhp?
Plus, having shorties installed for a B&A comparison is practically useless, since the vast majority of Stang GT owners install either only a tune, or a CAI/tune.
Old Dec 29, 2011 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ski
Pic didn't show.

Are you saying your car picked up 38 rwhp/30 rwtq from a tune and shorties?
That means your bone stock GT developed only 251 rwhp, which is abnormally anemic for a manual. It's more typical of an auto. Perhaps the baseline run was made with the engine fully warmed up, and the hood closed so the ECU could pull timing and cause the engine to develop an atypical and unrepresentative low baseline rwhp?
Plus, having shorties installed for a B&A comparison is practically useless, since the vast majority of Stang GT owners install either only a tune, or a CAI/tune.
No, what I'm saying is that it's not that far-fetched. I mentioned my shorties to say that I had something else instead of just the tune. Albeit, shorties don't make as much hp as some are lead to believe. So, we'll basically say that those numbers are the baseline with just a canned 93 tune. So, assuming that most people are baselining around 260 +/- 5 or so, that is a pretty healthy increase with just a canned tune. Now, factor in what people claim for CAI increases, and presto.
Old Dec 29, 2011 | 07:14 PM
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Typical gains on the 05-09 GT is 20-25 RWHP with a CAI & good custom tune. Since the '10 is already running the Bullitt/FRPP tune for that additional 15 CRANK HP, you're already about 10-12 RWHP into that 20-25 RWHP. In other words, you're net gain will be roughly 8-15 RWHP. Basically, your '10 with a CAI & good custom tune will be equivalent to an '05-'09 running the same CAI & custom tune.
Old Dec 30, 2011 | 09:06 AM
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In our testing on a 2010 GT a Steeda CAI alone with a tune that didnt tweak anything else except for the airflow requirements of the cold air gains 10 to 12 horsepower over the stock airbox with gains starting around 4,000rpm. Once you add tuning for other things like ignition and cam timing the gains can be significant. We advertise around 25 horsepower.

Here is a dyno sheet of a car that gained 27.....



For those questioning our gains for 05-09 cars, I have a dyno sheet for that too. But its not just about dyno's, real world performance is just as important. And when it comes to performance our intakes has seen plenty of cars that ran impressive times.

I dont have the article handy but there was an article just a couple of years ago from MM&FF of what was at that particular time the fastest 3V GT in the country, I'm sure someone had gone faster since then but at the time of the article the car was running in the low 11's at around 119 to 120mph on motor. This vehicle did this with our Steeda cold air intake as its intake system. That is a testament to the power our intake will support.

Here is also a dyno sheet for an 05-09 car for those who doubt the gains that can be achieved. This particular sheet peak to peak is 34 horsepower, with some point to point gains of 36 and 37 respectively. Just a couple of horsepower shy of our "up to 38" claims.



Also as you can see, once modified a 2010 is typically right on par with the 2005-09 cars as Nuke mentioned even though it started with more power in stock form.
Old Dec 30, 2011 | 09:52 AM
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I agree with everyone else here. A tune and CAI will make a noticeable difference in your vehicle. It is the first upgrade I always perform (during the warranty period) and lays the groundwork for future upgrades nicely, at least until you get into FI.

BTW - I DO have a C&L CAI complete intake for 2010GT on the parts for sale part of the forum. At this time, I do not intend to sell my tuner, but I'm basically asking 1/2 of going price for this CAI. I was happy with it and wish it would fit my roushcharger but it does not. PM if your interested or look at it under the parts for sale.
Old Dec 30, 2011 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by moochman4life
No, what I'm saying is that it's not that far-fetched. I mentioned my shorties to say that I had something else instead of just the tune. Albeit, shorties don't make as much hp as some are lead to believe. So, we'll basically say that those numbers are the baseline with just a canned 93 tune. So, assuming that most people are baselining around 260 +/- 5 or so, that is a pretty healthy increase with just a canned tune. Now, factor in what people claim for CAI increases, and presto.
#'s for shorties range from 3-5 rwhp in the upper rpms. However, we're still missing your dyno chart with the before(bone stock) and after runs, and confirmation both were SAE adjusted.
Old Dec 30, 2011 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SteedaGus
Here is also a dyno sheet for an 05-09 car for those who doubt the gains that can be achieved. This particular sheet peak to peak is 34 horsepower, with some point to point gains of 36 and 37 respectively. Just a couple of horsepower shy of our "up to 38" claims.

Nice gains.
Were the B&A results both SAE corrected?
Also, it appears something may have been wrong with the engine during the baseline run considering the obvious abnormal waviness between 4K-5K rpm despite an SAE smoothing of 5. Perhaps an engine timing problem? Whatever it was, that run should not have been used in the comparison due to that aberration IMHO.
Hopefully, you can post a non-wavy, SAE corrected dyno chart that shows a 35 rwhp increase with only a CAI & tune.
Old Dec 30, 2011 | 02:28 PM
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>>>>> Posted by moochman4life
No, what I'm saying is that it's not that far-fetched. I mentioned my shorties to say that I had something else instead of just the tune. Albeit, shorties don't make as much hp as some are lead to believe. So, we'll basically say that those numbers are the baseline with just a canned 93 tune. So, assuming that most people are baselining around 260 +/- 5 or so, that is a pretty healthy increase with just a canned tune. Now, factor in what people claim for CAI increases, and presto.

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#'s for shorties range from 3-5 rwhp in the upper rpms. However, we're still missing your dyno chart with the before(bone stock) and after runs, and confirmation both were SAE adjusted.<<<<<


That should have stated "SAE corrected".



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