Disappointed in 3:73s
04-30-2004, 12:00 AM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
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Sigh...some people never learn. I've preached & preached about nothing less than 4.10's in a 4.6 Stang. Sorry you wasted your money, but NOW YOU KNOW. If you think 4.10's scare people, you should see how they react when I say 4.30's!
As for being better at the track...yea you will be better than the 3.27, but vs a 4.10...nope. With the 4.10, you will be shifting right into the meat of you power everytime, & be just were u need to be at the end of the 1/4, where as that last shift w/the 3.73 will drop you out of what I call a powerband, so it sucks. Either you over rev, or shift & loose the peak #'s anyway. HOWEVER...3.73's are the only way to go with a P/A IMO.
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Had the 3:73's installed and picked it up yesterday expecting a massive difference! Must say I was dissapointed, not the wake up everyone predicts in my book! I would not worry about everyday driving with this ratio my highway RPMs changed VERY little. In 5th gear at 65MPH rpms went from 1800 to 2000, at 70 1900 to 2200 and at 75 2100 went to 2400, hardly noticable, not that different around town either, hope their better at the track!
Had the 3:73's installed and picked it up yesterday expecting a massive difference! Must say I was dissapointed, not the wake up everyone predicts in my book! I would not worry about everyday driving with this ratio my highway RPMs changed VERY little. In 5th gear at 65MPH rpms went from 1800 to 2000, at 70 1900 to 2200 and at 75 2100 went to 2400, hardly noticable, not that different around town either, hope their better at the track!
As for being better at the track...yea you will be better than the 3.27, but vs a 4.10...nope. With the 4.10, you will be shifting right into the meat of you power everytime, & be just were u need to be at the end of the 1/4, where as that last shift w/the 3.73 will drop you out of what I call a powerband, so it sucks. Either you over rev, or shift & loose the peak #'s anyway. HOWEVER...3.73's are the only way to go with a P/A IMO.
04-30-2004, 02:48 AM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
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What brand DR's do you have?
3.73's = [&:][:'(][:@]
4.10's = [8D]
anytime you regear, a set of DR's should already be starved into the financial equation IMO, cuz they are needed. I stand by what I said. Nothing less than 4.10's on a N/A 4.6L. Anything else...might as well save the $$$, & keep the stock gearing
Just to rattle your cage a little...maybe you don't understand why 4.10's are so much better, because you are also in that "I'M COOL CUZ MY FLOWMASTER EXHAUST DOESN'T GIVE ME ANY HORSEPOWER" crowd[8D]
What brand DR's do you have?
3.73's = [&:][:'(][:@]
4.10's = [8D]
anytime you regear, a set of DR's should already be starved into the financial equation IMO, cuz they are needed. I stand by what I said. Nothing less than 4.10's on a N/A 4.6L. Anything else...might as well save the $$$, & keep the stock gearing
Just to rattle your cage a little...maybe you don't understand why 4.10's are so much better, because you are also in that "I'M COOL CUZ MY FLOWMASTER EXHAUST DOESN'T GIVE ME ANY HORSEPOWER" crowd
[8D]
I guess that you, with all of your professional dragracing carrer, know more than Donna Sydor and her NMRA team. Hell, they really are holding her back, finished 4th in 2000. Flowmasters just arnt for performace, I mean shes only running a paltry 8.97@151. Thats nothing.
If you think that 3.73s dont make any difference on a N/A 4.6 5spd, then you havent ever driven/been in one. Even my ex roomate, who has absolutly no experence/knowledge of performance cars (or cars in general) immedialy noticed the difference.
I know most people think it is cool to spin your tires, but I dont. And unless your running a set of super sticky D/Rs or Slicks (do you like spending 300 bucks every few thousand miles?) a set of 4.10s on a 99+ GT, and thats what your going to be doing. Im running a set of NT555R D/Rs, which were a massive improvement over my old BFG regular radials. Even so, any more gear and 1st would be spinning again at WOT.
Not to mention that 4.10s are usless on the highway. My milage has already drastically fallen off, not to mention the increase in RPM. Even a 400 or so change is alot, when you think about it.
All of this is a moot point, as future power adders are planned for the car (re N20). As such, 3.73s are for me. And with only the bolt ons I have done I feel that 4.10s would be way to much gear for a often driven GT. IF you plan on running some MT/ET streets, and IF you plan on leaving the car stock otherwise and IF you dont EVER drive on the highway, I guess I could see running a set of 4.10s.
BTW i think you need to put me in the "I believe a 5 hp difference can't make up for an annoyingly loud headache producing car " caterory instead.
04-30-2004, 03:17 AM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
for strictly street driving, i like my 373s.... id burn up tires even faster with 410s and im only gettin 15 mpg as is... i can feel a difference, but for the track id go 410s, its just not practical for how i use my car.
04-30-2004, 12:38 PM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
I'm diffinately going with 4.10s. Trucks use 4.10s for better acceleration when towing so I can't wait to feel the pull on a little mustang they give. Yeah they burn a lot more gas... that's why I have a motorcycle for long trips.
05-01-2004, 03:35 AM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
As i am saying, its not only the gas that is an issue. Traction in 1st is going to be a real problem.
Put it this way. My car was acutally slower off the line with the 3.73s compared to the 3.27s until I got my D/Rs. I couldn't floor it in first, because if I did the tires would spin. This means you end up shifting into 2nd early, and the car bogs down.
Not to mention that with 4.10s the 1st to 2nd shift is going to have to be insanly quick. Your going to barely get off the line before its time to shift into 2nd.
I guess its just personal experence here, but I truly dont think my car would be any faster in the 1/4 mile with 4,10s than it is with the 3,73s. Perhaps from a roll in 2nd it would be, but for me at least this isnt much of a concern compared to off the line.
Put it this way. My car was acutally slower off the line with the 3.73s compared to the 3.27s until I got my D/Rs. I couldn't floor it in first, because if I did the tires would spin. This means you end up shifting into 2nd early, and the car bogs down.
Not to mention that with 4.10s the 1st to 2nd shift is going to have to be insanly quick. Your going to barely get off the line before its time to shift into 2nd.
I guess its just personal experence here, but I truly dont think my car would be any faster in the 1/4 mile with 4,10s than it is with the 3,73s. Perhaps from a roll in 2nd it would be, but for me at least this isnt much of a concern compared to off the line.
05-01-2004, 03:24 PM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
I have a slowmatic... so I need all the punch possible off the line. I'll have to up the rev. limiter and up the 1st shift point a 100 RPM with the Hypertech but anything will be better than what's going on now.
But with your 3.73s I believe where you get more of a push is on a roll. I had them on a '94 TA and didn't notice much off the line but when gunning it on the highway I pulled past stock muscle cars all the time.
Maybe you should try a Hypertech. Unless your Diablo chip is tuned with 3.73 settings.
But with your 3.73s I believe where you get more of a push is on a roll. I had them on a '94 TA and didn't notice much off the line but when gunning it on the highway I pulled past stock muscle cars all the time.
Maybe you should try a Hypertech. Unless your Diablo chip is tuned with 3.73 settings.
05-01-2004, 04:56 PM
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RE: Disappointed in 3:73s
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Not to mention that with 4.10s the 1st to 2nd shift is going to have to be insanly quick. Your going to barely get off the line before its time to shift into 2nd.
I guess its just personal experence here, but I truly dont think my car would be any faster in the 1/4 mile with 4,10s than it is with the 3,73s. Perhaps from a roll in 2nd it would be, but for me at least this isnt much of a concern compared to off the line.
Not to mention that with 4.10s the 1st to 2nd shift is going to have to be insanly quick. Your going to barely get off the line before its time to shift into 2nd.
I guess its just personal experence here, but I truly dont think my car would be any faster in the 1/4 mile with 4,10s than it is with the 3,73s. Perhaps from a roll in 2nd it would be, but for me at least this isnt much of a concern compared to off the line.