intercooler.//
09-07-2006, 11:30 PM
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intercooler.//
If i were to go with a kb 2.1l. would i be better off going with the intercooler right away or not? can i purchase it seperatley?
what are the advantages of the intercooler? disadvantages?
do vortechs(centris) have intercoolers?
what are the advantages of the intercooler? disadvantages?
do vortechs(centris) have intercoolers?
09-08-2006, 12:19 AM
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RE: intercooler.//
Yes you can purchase the intercooler separately, but because of where it sits, you'll -almost- be completely removing the blower to install it, plus extra work. Get the intercooler right away if at all possible... not only will it save you time (and probably a little bit of cash) in the end, it'll be safer. Hot air discharge = VERY BAD!
Advantages? Cooler charged air from the blower, cooler air is more dense, which means more power, and also makes the fuel less likely to detonate, it not only gives you more power, it makes that power much more safe.
Disadvantages? Slight bit of extra work on the install, and extra cost... The benefits FAR FAR outweigh these two disadvantages.
Yes centrifugal blowers can have an intercooler, a base centrifugal is in the range of $3400, add an intercooler and you're looking at $4600... base KB is $3600, intercooled is $4800
99.9% of turbo kits today have an intercooler... you'd be very hard pressed to find one without, the charged air from a turbo is much hotter... different kind of blower, but it just shows that the coolers are very common, and in my mind, necessary.
Advantages? Cooler charged air from the blower, cooler air is more dense, which means more power, and also makes the fuel less likely to detonate, it not only gives you more power, it makes that power much more safe.
Disadvantages? Slight bit of extra work on the install, and extra cost... The benefits FAR FAR outweigh these two disadvantages.
Yes centrifugal blowers can have an intercooler, a base centrifugal is in the range of $3400, add an intercooler and you're looking at $4600... base KB is $3600, intercooled is $4800
99.9% of turbo kits today have an intercooler... you'd be very hard pressed to find one without, the charged air from a turbo is much hotter... different kind of blower, but it just shows that the coolers are very common, and in my mind, necessary.
09-08-2006, 12:46 AM
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RE: intercooler.//
ORIGINAL: ShadowDrake
Yes you can purchase the intercooler separately, but because of where it sits, you'll -almost- be completely removing the blower to install it, plus extra work. Get the intercooler right away if at all possible... not only will it save you time (and probably a little bit of cash) in the end, it'll be safer. Hot air discharge = VERY BAD!
Advantages? Cooler charged air from the blower, cooler air is more dense, which means more power, and also makes the fuel less likely to detonate, it not only gives you more power, it makes that power much more safe.
Disadvantages? Slight bit of extra work on the install, and extra cost... The benefits FAR FAR outweigh these two disadvantages.
Yes centrifugal blowers can have an intercooler, a base centrifugal is in the range of $3400, add an intercooler and you're looking at $4600... base KB is $3600, intercooled is $4800
99.9% of turbo kits today have an intercooler... you'd be very hard pressed to find one without, the charged air from a turbo is much hotter... different kind of blower, but it just shows that the coolers are very common, and in my mind, necessary.
Yes you can purchase the intercooler separately, but because of where it sits, you'll -almost- be completely removing the blower to install it, plus extra work. Get the intercooler right away if at all possible... not only will it save you time (and probably a little bit of cash) in the end, it'll be safer. Hot air discharge = VERY BAD!
Advantages? Cooler charged air from the blower, cooler air is more dense, which means more power, and also makes the fuel less likely to detonate, it not only gives you more power, it makes that power much more safe.
Disadvantages? Slight bit of extra work on the install, and extra cost... The benefits FAR FAR outweigh these two disadvantages.
Yes centrifugal blowers can have an intercooler, a base centrifugal is in the range of $3400, add an intercooler and you're looking at $4600... base KB is $3600, intercooled is $4800
99.9% of turbo kits today have an intercooler... you'd be very hard pressed to find one without, the charged air from a turbo is much hotter... different kind of blower, but it just shows that the coolers are very common, and in my mind, necessary.
Intercooled is considerably more expensive.
09-08-2006, 01:08 AM
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RE: intercooler.//
KB non-intercooled: $3899. I was a little off on price, but close. That's NEW from KB on their site, source:
http://kennebell.net/pricelist/SC-PRICELIST.pdf
Intercooled version $4999. I guess the prices went up $100 since they moved up the displacement of the blowers.
A Vortech V2-SQ kit can be found here for $3467.45, non-intercooled.
http://www.speedworx.com/Vortech-Sup...6-GT-p-51.html
Stop following me around trying to disprove me, there's proof in text there of what I'm saying.
http://kennebell.net/pricelist/SC-PRICELIST.pdf
Intercooled version $4999. I guess the prices went up $100 since they moved up the displacement of the blowers.
A Vortech V2-SQ kit can be found here for $3467.45, non-intercooled.
http://www.speedworx.com/Vortech-Sup...6-GT-p-51.html
Stop following me around trying to disprove me, there's proof in text there of what I'm saying.
09-08-2006, 01:47 AM
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RE: intercooler.//
ORIGINAL: ShadowDrake
KB non-intercooled: $3899. I was a little off on price, but close. That's NEW from KB on their site, source:
http://kennebell.net/pricelist/SC-PRICELIST.pdf
Intercooled version $4999. I guess the prices went up $100 since they moved up the displacement of the blowers.
A Vortech V2-SQ kit can be found here for $3467.45, non-intercooled.
http://www.speedworx.com/Vortech-Sup...6-GT-p-51.html
Stop following me around trying to disprove me, there's proof in text there of what I'm saying.
KB non-intercooled: $3899. I was a little off on price, but close. That's NEW from KB on their site, source:
http://kennebell.net/pricelist/SC-PRICELIST.pdf
Intercooled version $4999. I guess the prices went up $100 since they moved up the displacement of the blowers.
A Vortech V2-SQ kit can be found here for $3467.45, non-intercooled.
http://www.speedworx.com/Vortech-Sup...6-GT-p-51.html
Stop following me around trying to disprove me, there's proof in text there of what I'm saying.
I found a KB for sale near me for $3,300...but couldn't bring myself to do it. It is an intercooled system and will run 400 hp. Not sure I want to do that w/ my t-45. Tough to pass that **** up!!!! ****!!!
09-08-2006, 02:22 AM
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RE: intercooler.//
Strangely enough, the price of intercoolers has dropped significantly since the entire Tuner Population grew...
You could probably find a decent sized core, and custom make most of your piping for under $800, that would probably support up to 20psi worth of airflow efficiently.. Probably more..
JT
You could probably find a decent sized core, and custom make most of your piping for under $800, that would probably support up to 20psi worth of airflow efficiently.. Probably more..
JT
09-08-2006, 02:37 AM
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RE: intercooler.//
ORIGINAL: ShadowDrake
KB non-intercooled: $3899. I was a little off on price, but close. That's NEW from KB on their site, source:
http://kennebell.net/pricelist/SC-PRICELIST.pdf
Intercooled version $4999. I guess the prices went up $100 since they moved up the displacement of the blowers.
A Vortech V2-SQ kit can be found here for $3467.45, non-intercooled.
http://www.speedworx.com/Vortech-Sup...6-GT-p-51.html
Stop following me around trying to disprove me, there's proof in text there of what I'm saying.
KB non-intercooled: $3899. I was a little off on price, but close. That's NEW from KB on their site, source:
http://kennebell.net/pricelist/SC-PRICELIST.pdf
Intercooled version $4999. I guess the prices went up $100 since they moved up the displacement of the blowers.
A Vortech V2-SQ kit can be found here for $3467.45, non-intercooled.
http://www.speedworx.com/Vortech-Sup...6-GT-p-51.html
Stop following me around trying to disprove me, there's proof in text there of what I'm saying.
Same thing on the vortech site. Comes with a fuel pump, but no mention of plugs, injectors, filter, IAT, MAF, air filter, tune (with handheld or chip) etc etc etc
All this little stuff adds up quick. I want to say the injectors alone are 250~ bucks? MAF is fairly expensive. Fuel pumps are 200+ etc etc etc Plus, find me a site you can acutally buy the KB from at that price. Thats the price they list, but I have never heard of anyone buying direct from KB website??
I am not following anyone around proving them wrong, but if you post something non realistic then I will point it out.
DVS-GT: My kit is non intercooled, comes from www.modularpowerhouse.com, look for the mongoose kits on their site. Comes with all the little stuff you need for install.
09-08-2006, 02:38 AM
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RE: intercooler.//
ORIGINAL: mikev08826
I just bought a v2-sq for $2939 shipped & complete.
I found a KB for sale near me for $3,300...but couldn't bring myself to do it. It is an intercooled system and will run 400 hp. Not sure I want to do that w/ my t-45. Tough to pass that **** up!!!!
ORIGINAL: ShadowDrake
KB non-intercooled: $3899. I was a little off on price, but close. That's NEW from KB on their site, source:
http://kennebell.net/pricelist/SC-PRICELIST.pdf
Intercooled version $4999. I guess the prices went up $100 since they moved up the displacement of the blowers.
A Vortech V2-SQ kit can be found here for $3467.45, non-intercooled.
http://www.speedworx.com/Vortech-Sup...6-GT-p-51.html
Stop following me around trying to disprove me, there's proof in text there of what I'm saying.
KB non-intercooled: $3899. I was a little off on price, but close. That's NEW from KB on their site, source:
http://kennebell.net/pricelist/SC-PRICELIST.pdf
Intercooled version $4999. I guess the prices went up $100 since they moved up the displacement of the blowers.
A Vortech V2-SQ kit can be found here for $3467.45, non-intercooled.
http://www.speedworx.com/Vortech-Sup...6-GT-p-51.html
Stop following me around trying to disprove me, there's proof in text there of what I'm saying.
I found a KB for sale near me for $3,300...but couldn't bring myself to do it. It is an intercooled system and will run 400 hp. Not sure I want to do that w/ my t-45. Tough to pass that **** up!!!!
You can try to peice it all together, but I can almost gaurentee you it will cost more in the long run.
09-08-2006, 03:46 AM
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RE: intercooler.//
ORIGINAL: dvs_03gt
so if i was running 9psi maybe less with no intercooler how bad is that? how about if it were only for a while?
and 20004.6 is ure vt-sq intercooled or not? how do you like it?
so if i was running 9psi maybe less with no intercooler how bad is that? how about if it were only for a while?
and 20004.6 is ure vt-sq intercooled or not? how do you like it?