What to do with $1000
09-30-2006, 11:44 AM
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RE: What to do with $1000
If you don't have the speedometer adjusted for the gears then I would get an SCTuner from www.Brenspeed.com
He gives you 3 tunes for different octane ratings that are all CUSTOM tunes. If you have the speedometer recalibrated then I would get a STEEDA TIMING ADJUSTER which is the best bang for the buck in my opinion. After speaking to Brent of Brenspeed it seems Ford had the cars very well set up from the factory. I mean look at what you have done and the return for the cash invested. Not a very good return. I spent $2430. on my mods and that included some labor for the gears and exhaust set-up. Gained 5 mph in the 1/4 while removing .5 also in the 1/4. Those measurements are from a passport timing device so are not 100% accurate but VERY close!
Otherwise I would save the cash for the downpayment for a Mach 1 or any 4v Stang with a 4v motor if Stangs are where you are staying. The 2v's are very limited and unless you are going to the track every week then doing suspension work so it hooks are a waste in my opinion. You have a nice looking car and I would enjoy it as it is.
Mark
He gives you 3 tunes for different octane ratings that are all CUSTOM tunes. If you have the speedometer recalibrated then I would get a STEEDA TIMING ADJUSTER which is the best bang for the buck in my opinion. After speaking to Brent of Brenspeed it seems Ford had the cars very well set up from the factory. I mean look at what you have done and the return for the cash invested. Not a very good return. I spent $2430. on my mods and that included some labor for the gears and exhaust set-up. Gained 5 mph in the 1/4 while removing .5 also in the 1/4. Those measurements are from a passport timing device so are not 100% accurate but VERY close!
Otherwise I would save the cash for the downpayment for a Mach 1 or any 4v Stang with a 4v motor if Stangs are where you are staying. The 2v's are very limited and unless you are going to the track every week then doing suspension work so it hooks are a waste in my opinion. You have a nice looking car and I would enjoy it as it is.
Mark
09-30-2006, 12:05 PM
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RE: What to do with $1000
I would finish up with the tb/plenum (bbk or Accufab)... then I would do suspension. Lower control arms, subframes, d/r (nitto's if your a DD, and Mickeys/BF's if you can drive something else when it rains). That would eat up your 1k.
Nitrous is an ok choice, although i'd personally keep away from that until you do some internal upgrades (you can do it safely, but i'd prefer personally to do it right instead of rushing it). You can also get a tune, but i'd wait if you were going to do cams in the future to get the tune then done by someone at a dyno with your car this way you don't have to pay for it twice.
Cams+tune are a good way to go, although the reason I said suspension first is because, you can have all the horsepower in the world, but you'll still run a crap time, unless you can get that tricky rubber to stick to the floor.
Or, the last option is to save it, put it in the bank earn a tad of interest on it.. and save up enough money to replace all your internals.. 3-5k from what i've seen... Make yourself a bulletproof motor
Oh, and FYI - when i was looking at cams/tune - every tuner here in tampa, fl was looking at 1500 +/- a few hundred for the cam, install and tune... So, it depends on where you are, who you go to, and how good they are.. so check around!
Nitrous is an ok choice, although i'd personally keep away from that until you do some internal upgrades (you can do it safely, but i'd prefer personally to do it right instead of rushing it). You can also get a tune, but i'd wait if you were going to do cams in the future to get the tune then done by someone at a dyno with your car this way you don't have to pay for it twice.
Cams+tune are a good way to go, although the reason I said suspension first is because, you can have all the horsepower in the world, but you'll still run a crap time, unless you can get that tricky rubber to stick to the floor.
Or, the last option is to save it, put it in the bank earn a tad of interest on it.. and save up enough money to replace all your internals.. 3-5k from what i've seen... Make yourself a bulletproof motor
Oh, and FYI - when i was looking at cams/tune - every tuner here in tampa, fl was looking at 1500 +/- a few hundred for the cam, install and tune... So, it depends on where you are, who you go to, and how good they are.. so check around!
09-30-2006, 12:11 PM
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RE: What to do with $1000
That is complete and total [sm=bs.gif]
The 2v doesn't make as much power as a 4v but, its not limited in any sense... I have seen some 2v's around that would kick my ****. They are built, but they can make power (expensive, but it can be done), there are 600+rwhp 2v 4.6L GT's around, TRUST ME. Suspension is not a waste either, who says you need to go to the track to have a good working suspension?? Why do you make your Mustang faster? To either race it on the track, on the street - or to feel that rush going from 0-60 as fast as you can, there is no other reason! Without suspension all you do is waste your tires and draw more attention to yourself. Also, suspension helps you go around those corners faster, and more stable - I love taking curves in my car doing 60mph, i love the feeling! Couldn't do that without suspension. That was probably the worst sentence i've ever seen you write Sweet99, also a canned tune from Brent at Brenspeed is only good if you have a close to stock car. If you plan on doing anything else into the engine (cam, s/c, nitrous, etc.) it's a waste of money because you're going to be lean in the end and have to pay another tuner the same amt of money for a tune. You gain more drivablilty normally from a tune then you do power. The tune makes it so your not running lean or rich enough to break something. That's it's most important value.
The 2v doesn't make as much power as a 4v but, its not limited in any sense... I have seen some 2v's around that would kick my ****. They are built, but they can make power (expensive, but it can be done), there are 600+rwhp 2v 4.6L GT's around, TRUST ME. Suspension is not a waste either, who says you need to go to the track to have a good working suspension?? Why do you make your Mustang faster? To either race it on the track, on the street - or to feel that rush going from 0-60 as fast as you can, there is no other reason! Without suspension all you do is waste your tires and draw more attention to yourself. Also, suspension helps you go around those corners faster, and more stable - I love taking curves in my car doing 60mph, i love the feeling! Couldn't do that without suspension. That was probably the worst sentence i've ever seen you write Sweet99, also a canned tune from Brent at Brenspeed is only good if you have a close to stock car. If you plan on doing anything else into the engine (cam, s/c, nitrous, etc.) it's a waste of money because you're going to be lean in the end and have to pay another tuner the same amt of money for a tune. You gain more drivablilty normally from a tune then you do power. The tune makes it so your not running lean or rich enough to break something. That's it's most important value.
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The 2v's are very limited and unless you are going to the track every week then doing suspension work so it hooks are a waste.
The 2v's are very limited and unless you are going to the track every week then doing suspension work so it hooks are a waste.
09-30-2006, 01:01 PM
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RE: What to do with $1000
Eric I believe that Cody has a nice set-up right now. I also stnd behind my OPINION on suspension mods to help the car hook if it is a street car. I can get a good launch with minimal spin on my 315/35's. Granted my 60' are around 2.15(the best) and more likely around 2.20. I also know that each tenth off the 60' is 2 tenths off the 1/4 time. I have to launch at 1000 rpm's or I will lose traction and spin into 2nd gear and blow the run. So you are correct that some CA's would help in that respect but I have a street car, 100%. Maybe a few runs next year if I can catch a street car test and tune day that they have a couple of during the summer on a friday night.
Cody should save the cash and that we agree upon. www.karkraft.com has NEW '03/'04 Mach 1 motors for $3900. including the shaker scoop and tray which alone could be sold for $500. bringing the investment for this 315HP motor's cost down to $3300. plus shipping. I think the '03 motor has 308HP and the '04's have 318HP and KarKraft has both years available. They also have a lot of shortblocks and late model removed motors with next to no miles on them, 3v motors and much more.
Sure a 2v can be made to be quick but Code3GT has shared that it was not cheap for him to get 360WHP. My point against the 2v's is the return on the investment.
Eric I am 53 years of age and starting to settle down. My '99 Mustang GT convertible with an automatic tranny is perfect for me. I "retired" 5 years ago after my 3rd back surgery. You have a Cobra, is it a supercharged version? Are ALL '03/'04's supercharged from Ford? Even the '99's have a 50HP-60HP advantage opver me to start with. I doubt my mods have evened me with a '99 Cobra as I think they could run better than a 14.0 at 100mph stock.
Cody should save for a better platform to get a better return on his cash. I won't do headers on my car but with a 4v I would first thing as that motor has the potential to move air and that is what making power is all about. Mark
Cody should save the cash and that we agree upon. www.karkraft.com has NEW '03/'04 Mach 1 motors for $3900. including the shaker scoop and tray which alone could be sold for $500. bringing the investment for this 315HP motor's cost down to $3300. plus shipping. I think the '03 motor has 308HP and the '04's have 318HP and KarKraft has both years available. They also have a lot of shortblocks and late model removed motors with next to no miles on them, 3v motors and much more.
Sure a 2v can be made to be quick but Code3GT has shared that it was not cheap for him to get 360WHP. My point against the 2v's is the return on the investment.
Eric I am 53 years of age and starting to settle down. My '99 Mustang GT convertible with an automatic tranny is perfect for me. I "retired" 5 years ago after my 3rd back surgery. You have a Cobra, is it a supercharged version? Are ALL '03/'04's supercharged from Ford? Even the '99's have a 50HP-60HP advantage opver me to start with. I doubt my mods have evened me with a '99 Cobra as I think they could run better than a 14.0 at 100mph stock.
Cody should save for a better platform to get a better return on his cash. I won't do headers on my car but with a 4v I would first thing as that motor has the potential to move air and that is what making power is all about. Mark
09-30-2006, 01:10 PM
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RE: What to do with $1000
Yes, all 03/04 Motors are supercharged. Your car is nice for you, and I think he has a very nice car - i'd never take anything away from it. But he asked what he should do with the money, so obviously he isn't happy with his. Something your forgetting is that 3500$ motor, doesn't include putting it in, and unless he wants to do everything himself he's looking to a lot more money. That swap won't just bolt up next to his other parts. A swap is a good bit of money, probably not worth unless you're getting a forged motor with it - which your not. The Mach motors are identical in 03 and 04, same as the Cobra motors with the exception of the dreaded head tapping that some of the early 03's were guilty of. If he wants to keep his 2v he can make power, it all depends on how you set it up. Yes, 2v's are expensive to build but a lot of people that build 2v's build them so they can have a 2v take out a 4v or a 3v - that's what they want, but it also depends on what he wants. That's why in the end I just bought my Cobra, because I didnt want to spend the money on the 2v, but i have a friend thats building his up just so he can have a GT, the beats Cobras, lol
Remember, you're car is perfect because it's perfect for you. My car isn't perfect for me... yet, but it might be perfect for the person who built it.
In the end suspension is NEVER, and I mean never a waste.
Remember, you're car is perfect because it's perfect for you. My car isn't perfect for me... yet, but it might be perfect for the person who built it.
In the end suspension is NEVER, and I mean never a waste.
09-30-2006, 01:16 PM
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RE: What to do with $1000
No offense Sweet, but that's not close to a good 60", that's a decent 60" at best... a good 60" is 2.00, a great one is ~2.00... If you put the suspension on there with your tires you might pull a 1.9x, with true d/r you could 1.7-1.9 - which is a good bit of time off your 1/4 - and your hp/trap hasn't gone up at all really. Other then nitrous, i've seen suspension pull .3-.5 off of a 1/4 mile time for 1k on a modded car. Can you name anything else other then nitrous that will do that?? Hell, a full bolt on GT will take off .5 and how much can you expect to pay for that?? You can stand behind your opinion, but it's not just an opinion - there are things that you can show to prove mine. I can use my personal experiance at the real track (not a timer), that my 60" went down .2 with just LCA and steeda sport springs (when the steeda sport springs HURT your 60"). a good friend of mine put down a high 1.8 with LCA, Ford C Springs, and SFC. Are you telling me that that's not worth it??? He also gets a ton of better handeling and traction on the street, as did I.
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Granted my 60' are around 2.15(the best) and more likely around 2.20.
Granted my 60' are around 2.15(the best) and more likely around 2.20.
09-30-2006, 10:12 PM
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RE: What to do with $1000
There's our difference Eric. You measure your car's performance on the 1/4 mile track. I am interested in dyno numbers/power. I use the timer because I have to measure my mods/tunes in some way. However I am not interested in my 1/4 mile time. 50-100 MPH is where I want to improve. I do bash the 2v motors quite often because they are built and tuned quite well from Ford and the motor does not respond well to mods as the stock pieces are quite good.
I don't know what Cody has for his goal, track or interstate speed.
OH, I know about the 60' times. Did a best of 1.68 with the Talon but that was from being able to studder box launch it at 5 different rpm's from 4500 to 5500 in 250rpm increments. Same thing for me there also. I wanted more power and not get a good time because I hooked.
Eric your car must be a blast and must be making a ton of power. I need to see if I can access your dyno link. 390HP stock! That's what the 6-pack 440's were rated at. More torque from the 440 though.
Just remember I am not dissing anyone's car but my own. Mark
I don't know what Cody has for his goal, track or interstate speed.
OH, I know about the 60' times. Did a best of 1.68 with the Talon but that was from being able to studder box launch it at 5 different rpm's from 4500 to 5500 in 250rpm increments. Same thing for me there also. I wanted more power and not get a good time because I hooked.
Eric your car must be a blast and must be making a ton of power. I need to see if I can access your dyno link. 390HP stock! That's what the 6-pack 440's were rated at. More torque from the 440 though.
Just remember I am not dissing anyone's car but my own. Mark
