I like when people say to get an inferior blower because they have it... it's funny.

btw... Vortech<procharger.

 

what does that mean??? its just my opinion.

 

I don't know why Vortech gets trashed all the time ... please explain why its such an inferior blower ...

 

i believe those are the reasons, im not tryin to bash anyone or anything but i have done my research.

and just an FYI for everyone the KB is the same price as the Vortech. Both 3800

 

I think you need to look again. you might get the blower itself for the same price, but your going to be hard pressed to find a comparable kit that will run the same PSI and have them both be the same price.

The base model entry level kb kit only runs like 6 PSI, non intercooled. Having a non i/c kb is not the same as having a non i/c centri kit. With the twin screw sitting right on top of the engine and creating more heat its not a good combo.

Even non i/c your gonna be very hard pressed to get everything you need in a k/b kit for around 4k.

Spoken like someone that has not owned/operated a centri blower. There is NO lag on a centri blower. They simply do not make boost down low, and they build boost on a linear curve with the RPM of the engine.

A turbo (espcially an improperly sized one) will lag no matter what RPM you start in. If you start a centri car off in a RPM where they make boost (~3000+) it makes boost instantly, there is no lag. A turbo car will literally be slower than a n/a car as well before making boost... as there is a restriction in the exhaust and your spooling the turbo. This is not true of a centri car. As soon as you go WOT its making 100 percent of the boost it will at xxx RPM.

Pound for pound, 99.9999 percent of the time a centri car will outlaunch a twin screw/eaton blower. This is why everyone recommends the centri blowers for the track, you don't need to make 10,000 ft/lbs at 1500 RPM to launch, as its counterproductive to traction.

I did alot of research, and you can argue the pros and cons of the two blowers, but the one thing I guarentee is that dollar for dollar the centri car IS going to be faster. There is a local guy with a 1.7L i/c kb setup on his 2v. The last time I saw him he had a catback and his 1.7L.... nothing else done to the car. When comparing notes, the price difference really comes thru... what he paid for his KB kit + tune + catback I paid for the blower kit and tune, full exhaust, intake boltons, and cams/valvesprings lol. There isn't any doubt which car is faster. (370 whp < 420 whp).

There is absolutly nothing "inferior" about a vortech compared to procharger. The only real advantage a procharger has is that it comes with intercooler. Fortunatly you can put together a DIY intercooler kit that is BETTER than any of the i/c kits that come with the ATis for around 500 bucks... not exactly a princly sum for someone that just spend 4K on the blower kit.

So far as directly comparing the two entry level kits, the SQ is worlds above the PS1C. With the P your looking at about a 500 WHP and 12 PSI limit before it starts getting overspun and ripping up belts. you can always go to a D sieres but we are getting into more money, and there isn't any doubt that the T trim from vortech > any D sieres.

The reason you see so many vortech blowers on mustangs isn't because they are cheaper or "inferior"... its because they make one of the best blowers out there. Quailty sells....

 

so all in all get a cintri?!?

now a question still remains...

procharger
paxton
vortech

for what i want, i'm looking in the range of 4 grand, i have a near stock motor, looking to produce 420hp, and hopefully 500 later

 

2000 - I have operated a centri blown car.. the reason I used the word lag... is when compared to a roots/twin screw there isn't the power down low, thats all - and im sorry if i didnt make that clear... I agree with saying a centri will out launch a twin screw/roots at the track because of the amount of power made down low by the twin screw/roots vs a centri... easier to launch with less torque. but if the roots/twin screw blower has the right work done to it, suspension wise, the centri can't compete with the amt of torque they produce (I peaked my torq at 2500rpms).

You can say all you want about vortech vs procharger... the procharged kits that i've seen on high hp cars outrun the Vortech cars... You might be right the lower end procharger vs the vortech - the vortech might beat it, but in high hp cars, go procharger or go home - if you want a centri blower. If you can launch a car with a twin screw/roots properly, the centris cant compete with the amt of low end torque they produce. Remember I have a heaton roots blower, and i'd own a procharger for my GT way before i'd own a Vortech... intercooler or not.

 

I am not sure where your getting your information, but I think you need to take a look at some of the "big boy" classes out there running centri cars... the prochargers arn't winning the majority of races.

I would put up and vortech blower to any ati blower any day of the week. It has been proven that the vortech impeller design is superior, and vortech simply offers more solutions (re more blowers) than ATI does.

The only reason to go with a ATI setup is to get a intercooler with your package.. and as I said you would be better off going with a DIY anway.

So far as launching, I don't care what the supension setup is, you can launch just as hard/harder with a centri than a twin screw. Hell, if your acutally going to launch the car HARD your going to launch it at 5K+ anyway... and thats where I make peak torque

People seem to overlook that as well... my torque didn't acutally peak till AFTER 5250 RPM. It came on strong around 4000 RPM and never fell off until about 5500 RPM. It doiens't have the low end grunt of a twin screw/roots, but it sure as hell has alot of top end tq/horsepower, and if you know what your doing on the track (and have the proper setup, even a basic one really with slicks) you will never see anything below about 4500 RPM on the track... so whats the point.

We can go on all day long about twin screw vs centri, and its debateble and really all in opinion (in the end both will be a drivers race for each other) but so far as procharger vs vortech... well as they say the proof is in the pudding. Vortech isn't the number 1 racing and street supercharger for nothing....

Ulitimate blower though? In my mind novi has them both beat. I have been kicking my own *** since day one of the blower install for not spending the extra 300-400 bucks at MPH and getting the novi 2000. Theres nothing like a blower that can support 800-1000 WHP applications AND make less the 400 WHP if your want it to, with zero problems either way.

Edit: all of this isn't to say I hate or even dislike procharger. IMO the only real downside to procharger is the whole limit of the entry level PS1C setup. Other than that, its a great deal, espcially on a car thats going to keep its stock shortblock. Paying the same price for a blower kit with a i/c as you would for another brand without one is great, and over the past year or two they seem to have fixed their oil seals leaking. but say ing that vortech is "inferior" is just incorrect, they are not in any way.