Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
12-16-2004, 11:30 AM
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RE: Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
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JD has equal mods less cams and he's claming 275hp 325rwtq I believe, something doesn't sound right with your cars or JD's car then. [&:]
JD has equal mods less cams and he's claming 275hp 325rwtq I believe, something doesn't sound right with your cars or JD's car then. [&:]
Im gonna go have mine dyno'd again and save the sheet this time. I did dyno at 276 and 325. That was on a hot engine and a rainy day also.
12-16-2004, 11:35 AM
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RE: Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
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a month and a half????? if that would be the case for me then i would not go that route for that kind of bull sh*t. $1800, a month and a half of no mustang for 10 hp. YEA RIGHT! dude you almost could of gotten blown for that kind of money/time!
a month and a half????? if that would be the case for me then i would not go that route for that kind of bull sh*t. $1800, a month and a half of no mustang for 10 hp. YEA RIGHT! dude you almost could of gotten blown for that kind of money/time!
12-16-2004, 11:47 AM
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RE: Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
I am NOT a happy stang owner. VT stage 2 cams w/ springs are installed, and the final dyno numbers are 279 RWHP and 300 FT/Lb. I have not seen the dyno sheet, but the shop is saying the torque is way down on the bottom end.
Edit: I already was making 268 RWHP and 302 RWTQ before the swap
I have talked to several different shop owners today attempting to find the problem. Both my shop owner and the guy that tuned MDs car (tim at modular powerhouse) are telling me 2 things:
1. This number is about right (Tim says should be about 285).
2. Anyone claiming to make 275 or so RWHP and 300 Ft/Lb with a bolt on only car is a bold faced liar.
So whats the deal here fellas? These people are telling me that stating the above numbers on any other forum would get you laughed out of it. Is everyone on here lieing, or am I getting hosed straight up the tail pipe?
From what everyone else was saying on here, I was truly expecting 300 RWHP out of this car. Whats up?>???
I am NOT a happy stang owner. VT stage 2 cams w/ springs are installed, and the final dyno numbers are 279 RWHP and 300 FT/Lb. I have not seen the dyno sheet, but the shop is saying the torque is way down on the bottom end.
Edit: I already was making 268 RWHP and 302 RWTQ before the swap
I have talked to several different shop owners today attempting to find the problem. Both my shop owner and the guy that tuned MDs car (tim at modular powerhouse) are telling me 2 things:
1. This number is about right (Tim says should be about 285).
2. Anyone claiming to make 275 or so RWHP and 300 Ft/Lb with a bolt on only car is a bold faced liar.
So whats the deal here fellas? These people are telling me that stating the above numbers on any other forum would get you laughed out of it. Is everyone on here lieing, or am I getting hosed straight up the tail pipe?
From what everyone else was saying on here, I was truly expecting 300 RWHP out of this car. Whats up?>???
12-16-2004, 12:25 PM
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RE: Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
agreed
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Honestly though, with this kind of thing going on I cannot trust the LS1 claims either.
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Damn, I'd like to see what happened to.
I think it just might be time to bite the bullet and jump to the other side if your looking for straight line performance.
Damn, I'd like to see what happened to.
I think it just might be time to bite the bullet and jump to the other side if your looking for straight line performance.
I am thinking of two words
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12-16-2004, 05:53 PM
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RE: Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
2000GT, when I put in my afm stage 1 cams I only picked up about maybe 10 hp peak, but like i said in another post, at about 5000ish rpms before the cams my car was only making 219hp, after the cams is was making 268! look at your dyno sheet, you can most likely picked up big numbers in other parts of your rpm's. I too was initially mad when i got my cams done, but when I realized how much that top end Hp really help me i was thrilled. MPE matched my dyno up with that of a mach 1 with an intake and magna's, my motor's power range was now just like a 4v motor. if it was safe my rev limiter could have be extended another 500 rpms. trust me, look at your dyno sheet.
By the way MD why havent you pointed this out yet??!
By the way MD why havent you pointed this out yet??!
12-16-2004, 06:37 PM
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RE: Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
i think he did, or someone else did
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2000GT, when I put in my afm stage 1 cams I only picked up about maybe 10 hp peak, but like i said in another post, at about 5000ish rpms before the cams my car was only making 219hp, after the cams is was making 268! look at your dyno sheet, you can most likely picked up big numbers in other parts of your rpm's. I too was initially mad when i got my cams done, but when I realized how much that top end Hp really help me i was thrilled. MPE matched my dyno up with that of a mach 1 with an intake and magna's, my motor's power range was now just like a 4v motor. if it was safe my rev limiter could have be extended another 500 rpms. trust me, look at your dyno sheet.
By the way MD why havent you pointed this out yet??!
2000GT, when I put in my afm stage 1 cams I only picked up about maybe 10 hp peak, but like i said in another post, at about 5000ish rpms before the cams my car was only making 219hp, after the cams is was making 268! look at your dyno sheet, you can most likely picked up big numbers in other parts of your rpm's. I too was initially mad when i got my cams done, but when I realized how much that top end Hp really help me i was thrilled. MPE matched my dyno up with that of a mach 1 with an intake and magna's, my motor's power range was now just like a 4v motor. if it was safe my rev limiter could have be extended another 500 rpms. trust me, look at your dyno sheet.
By the way MD why havent you pointed this out yet??!
12-17-2004, 03:46 AM
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RE: Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
what about ur heads aren't u running stock heads with the numbers those cams are running i would think u are chocking those cams. also not to **** in ur eye but about what u said earlier just because ur not making 285or 300 doesn't mean anyone else isn't
12-17-2004, 03:49 AM
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RE: Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
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what about ur heads aren't u running stock heads with the numbers those cams are running i would think u are chocking those cams. also not to **** in ur eye but about what u said earlier just because ur not making 285or 300 doesn't mean anyone else isn't
what about ur heads aren't u running stock heads with the numbers those cams are running i would think u are chocking those cams. also not to **** in ur eye but about what u said earlier just because ur not making 285or 300 doesn't mean anyone else isn't
They are also the ones saying that it is not possible to dyno in the 275-285 range with bolt ons only.
12-17-2004, 04:33 AM
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RE: Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
JD made a good point, dyno results differ in different weather, humid weather will choke a motor, where on a nice crisp day it will breath better and give you different results. Another thing is altitude, the dyno has to be set for your particular altitude for your state because the air can be either thinner or thicker. I purchased a dynojet PCIII fuel management system for my bike from another state which came with an installed map from that state and I had to have it re-tuned for the state I live in because of the difference in altitude and weather conditions. Post your dyno results so we can see what's up.
12-17-2004, 11:01 AM
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RE: Lies? Deception? Cam results are in
no those are SAE corrected for weather. so it won't matter the outside temp unless your blown since correction factors can't account for the increased boost in cold weather. so, NA cars it doesn't matter since his #'s are corrected.