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Old Feb 27, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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A Procharger P-1SC is about $4,500 for a complete kit that includes intercooler, fuel injectors, fuel pump and pre-programmed chip. The only thing extra needed is spark plugs and maybe a fan belt. Installation ran approximately $1,000. You can put it on a pure stock motor with 8 lbs of boost and get approximately 350 rwhp. No other modifications are absolutely necessary.

I checked out a Saleen superchagrer. It cost about the same but the installation was about $1,800. It produced lower peak horsepower and was very expensive to upgrade. Most of the people on these forums do not like Saleen superchargers

You can get a Vortech for less (without intercooler). Watch out for tuner kits which have low prices. They do not come with everything you need.
I love the saleen superchargers. They are just way too expensive for the amount of power they produce. Why spend more money for less HP? If they cost less, then you'd see a lot more people running around with them. They also look so nice under the hood.
I'd have to agree there.. Saleen justisn't cost effective with their S/C units I don't think.. I went with the P1S/C-2 intercooled kit fromProCharger and I don't have any problems with it. The only thing I'd suggest is that if you're plannign on pushing any serious boost, i.e. over 12-psi, I'd go with the D-1 S/C kit, the P1S/C's have hella problems with impeller failure if you push anymore than about 12.. Other than that, my P1 kit came with everything I needed, for about $4,850, and that included the tune.. Running 8-psi it took a stock mach from about 280RWHP to 448 RWHP, with the only other mods being headers, a cat'd H, and SLP flow-through's.. That, and if you're going to push more than 450RWHP, you need to get forged internals.. If I remember right the 04 GT's have the cast crank also? I wouldn't push anymore than 400 just to be safe.. Other than that as long as it doesn't hurt the wallet too much you should be good there.. that's just my .02 though..
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 05:46 PM
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would it be advisable to put a supercharger on a 1998 GT with over 200 thousand miles on it?
If everything's still original i wouldn't advise it broham.. push internals that are that run down too hard and BOOM!!.. I'd consider an engine/tranny/clutch/rear-end swap first before I put an S/C on a car with that many miles on it..
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 05:50 PM
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back in 2006 the tranny and rear end gave out, and we got one with 5K miles on it for 2,700 dollars, but i'm thinking about an engline rebuild, cuz i want this car's engine to be as stock as possible, but with headers and a supercharger, and cold air, and throttle body and such

or i'll buy a new motor, but i want a stock one
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 06:03 PM
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If you're gonna go with a stock motor, get the 03/04 cobra 4V.. they came factory from SVT with forged internals and an Eaton S/C.. Most aftermarket S/C kits usually come with some type of CAI, and with the 4v you really don't need a new throttle body, you can port the stock stock one and that'll work wonders.. The heads on the 4v are some of the best flowing heads ford's ever made.. Still, with a stock solid axle in the back I'd be a little careful.. What kind of gears did the rear end you bought have in it? If you're going to go with an S/C, I'd think about maybe upgrading to a 3.55 or 3.73 ring gear in the rear end, otherwise you'll probably bog down on the bottom end of the powerband RWTQ wise.. Depends on what you want though..
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 06:16 PM
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hah aim anti-bog down, so im thinking im going with 3.73, and my dad said that was a good choice of gears too, right now i dont know what we have, i think 3.10
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 06:19 PM
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A Procharger P-1SC is about $4,500 for a complete kit that includes intercooler, fuel injectors, fuel pump and pre-programmed chip. The only thing extra needed is spark plugs and maybe a fan belt. Installation ran approximately $1,000. You can put it on a pure stock motor with 8 lbs of boost and get approximately 350 rwhp. No other modifications are absolutely necessary.

I checked out a Saleen superchagrer. It cost about the same but the installation was about $1,800. It produced lower peak horsepower and was very expensive to upgrade. Most of the people on these forums do not like Saleen superchargers

You can get a Vortech for less (without intercooler). Watch out for tuner kits which have low prices. They do not come with everything you need.
I love the saleen superchargers. They are just way too expensive for the amount of power they produce. Why spend more money for less HP? If they cost less, then you'd see a lot more people running around with them. They also look so nice under the hood.
I'd have to agree there.. Saleen justisn't cost effective with their S/C units I don't think.. I went with the P1S/C-2 intercooled kit fromProCharger and I don't have any problems with it. The only thing I'd suggest is that if you're plannign on pushing any serious boost, i.e. over 12-psi, I'd go with the D-1 S/C kit, the P1S/C's have hella problems with impeller failure if you push anymore than about 12.. Other than that, my P1 kit came with everything I needed, for about $4,850, and that included the tune.. Running 8-psi it took a stock mach from about 280RWHP to 448 RWHP, with the only other mods being headers, a cat'd H, and SLP flow-through's.. That, and if you're going to push more than 450RWHP, you need to get forged internals.. If I remember right the 04 GT's have the cast crank also? I wouldn't push anymore than 400 just to be safe.. Other than that as long as it doesn't hurt the wallet too much you should be good there.. that's just my .02 though..
I'm pretty sure all Manual Mack1s came with the forged cobra crank and autos with the Cast. However they all came with the same crap rods and Hypereutectic.
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 06:23 PM
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A Procharger P-1SC is about $4,500 for a complete kit that includes intercooler, fuel injectors, fuel pump and pre-programmed chip. The only thing extra needed is spark plugs and maybe a fan belt. Installation ran approximately $1,000. You can put it on a pure stock motor with 8 lbs of boost and get approximately 350 rwhp. No other modifications are absolutely necessary.

I checked out a Saleen superchagrer. It cost about the same but the installation was about $1,800. It produced lower peak horsepower and was very expensive to upgrade. Most of the people on these forums do not like Saleen superchargers

You can get a Vortech for less (without intercooler). Watch out for tuner kits which have low prices. They do not come with everything you need.
I love the saleen superchargers. They are just way too expensive for the amount of power they produce. Why spend more money for less HP? If they cost less, then you'd see a lot more people running around with them. They also look so nice under the hood.
I'd have to agree there.. Saleen justisn't cost effective with their S/C units I don't think.. I went with the P1S/C-2 intercooled kit fromProCharger and I don't have any problems with it. The only thing I'd suggest is that if you're plannign on pushing any serious boost, i.e. over 12-psi, I'd go with the D-1 S/C kit, the P1S/C's have hella problems with impeller failure if you push anymore than about 12.. Other than that, my P1 kit came with everything I needed, for about $4,850, and that included the tune.. Running 8-psi it took a stock mach from about 280RWHP to 448 RWHP, with the only other mods being headers, a cat'd H, and SLP flow-through's.. That, and if you're going to push more than 450RWHP, you need to get forged internals.. If I remember right the 04 GT's have the cast crank also? I wouldn't push anymore than 400 just to be safe.. Other than that as long as it doesn't hurt the wallet too much you should be good there.. that's just my .02 though..
They can handle up to 600hp any more than that you need a cobra crank..

I would strongly recommend buying a shortblock example MMR for $2200. My familys machine shop gets alot of people wishing they would of listened to us about over powering the stock limits of the 2v. Some will last for a while before blowing if you stay around 350-375rwhp (safe tune). But it depends on your driving habits I guess in terms on engine longevitiy. Your motor wont last long with 450rwhp with out a forged bottom end. If you have the money do it right and do it once.Thats my opinion
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 06:29 PM
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Not a bad choice.. I THINK the 99 GT's had 3.23's, as I don't think those have changed any.. One thing you will want to watch though, is that with a used differential, launching it hard will shock that puppy pretty good.. I'd look at maybe getting a tougher differential if it won't hurt the wallet too bad.. Also, if you really want to hook your launches, I'd look at upper & lower control arms, a panhard bar, and sub-frame connectors (those help keep the chassis twist down on a hard launch).. Again, all depends on how much work you can afford/want to do..

I think with the engine swap (and I forgot to mention, the 4v's are a LOT more mod friendly than a re-built 2v would be..) with an aftermarket S/C kit, and some suspension work would be at about your 10-15k limit.. I would suggest though, replacing/upgrading/re-building the tranny though.. I"m not exactly a slush-box expert, but I don't believe the stock auto's will hold much more than about 375 or 400 RWHP.. If you do that though, you're also looking at replacing/upgrading the fly-wheel, throw-out bearing and possibly the driveshaft also. (personally I'd go with an aluminum driveshaft, will cut out some of the rotational imbalance, and also cuts down on parasitic HP loss through the drivetrain..)

Old Feb 27, 2008 | 06:39 PM
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A Procharger P-1SC is about $4,500 for a complete kit that includes intercooler, fuel injectors, fuel pump and pre-programmed chip. The only thing extra needed is spark plugs and maybe a fan belt. Installation ran approximately $1,000. You can put it on a pure stock motor with 8 lbs of boost and get approximately 350 rwhp. No other modifications are absolutely necessary.

I checked out a Saleen superchagrer. It cost about the same but the installation was about $1,800. It produced lower peak horsepower and was very expensive to upgrade. Most of the people on these forums do not like Saleen superchargers

You can get a Vortech for less (without intercooler). Watch out for tuner kits which have low prices. They do not come with everything you need.
I love the saleen superchargers. They are just way too expensive for the amount of power they produce. Why spend more money for less HP? If they cost less, then you'd see a lot more people running around with them. They also look so nice under the hood.
I'd have to agree there.. Saleen justisn't cost effective with their S/C units I don't think.. I went with the P1S/C-2 intercooled kit fromProCharger and I don't have any problems with it. The only thing I'd suggest is that if you're plannign on pushing any serious boost, i.e. over 12-psi, I'd go with the D-1 S/C kit, the P1S/C's have hella problems with impeller failure if you push anymore than about 12.. Other than that, my P1 kit came with everything I needed, for about $4,850, and that included the tune.. Running 8-psi it took a stock mach from about 280RWHP to 448 RWHP, with the only other mods being headers, a cat'd H, and SLP flow-through's.. That, and if you're going to push more than 450RWHP, you need to get forged internals.. If I remember right the 04 GT's have the cast crank also? I wouldn't push anymore than 400 just to be safe.. Other than that as long as it doesn't hurt the wallet too much you should be good there.. that's just my .02 though..
I'm pretty sure all Manual Mack1s came with the forged cobra crank and autos with the Cast. However they all came with the same crap rods and Hypereutectic.
LOL mack 1's.. LOL however das ischt true.. both the 03 and 04 manual mach's came with the forged cobra crank.. and unfortunately the cast rods and hypereutectic.. [:@]That's my next project.. I figure with forged internals, an S/C pulley (10-psi), a boost-a-pump, and a more aggressive tune I can probably hit 550 or 575 at least before I'll need to look at changing out the blower.. Damned impeller failures.. lol [:@]
Old Feb 27, 2008 | 07:07 PM
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so i should get an SVT cobra motor from the SVT Site

and fit that witht he supercharger and the headers n' such?



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