Fuel Trims
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I have another question regarding fuel trims. Is it always trimming up and down from from 14.7. Really my question is how accurate is using (MAF/(Air/fuel))/(#injectors*injector flowrate*80%) to calculate injector flow percentage and fuel flow rates and Why doesn't Recon show it for my 96?
Your formula is a bit confusing to me, the flow rate per injector is:
MAF/AFR/8
where MAF = airflow in lb/h, so airflow/AFR = lb/h of fuel, then divided by 8 injectors.
This is the actual flow rate per injector. That divided by the injector's rated capacity = the injector duty cycle.
Keep in mind that Recon displays and logs the MAF flow in kg/h, you need to multiply those values by 2.2046 to convert to lb/h.
So assuming Recon says the the air flow is 800kg/h, and the AFR is 12.5:1:
800kg/h * 2.2046 = 1764lb/h, making per injector rate 1764/12.5/8 = 17.64lb/h (easy math because 12.5 * 8 = 100).
If you have 19lb/h injectors then the injector duty cycle = 17.64/19 = 0.928 = 92.8%.
This is why Ford switched to 21lb/h injectors in 2002, with the PI engine the 19lb injectors were running at 95+% duty cycle. With the 21s that dropped to 88%+, still a bit high but better.
#22
So really what u are telling me is that if i want to know my A/R for sure i should be getting a meter. I have been doing some analysis of my 0-60 mph run last night, which was my fastest at just under 5.4 seconds, and for a A/F 14.7 i am at 80% injector duty. So if it is trying to make it anymore rich... which it was, it will be going over 80%. So it confirmed that i need bigger injectors. Just out of curiosity how much air will a bone stock non-pi motor pull?
Last edited by swarthyfellow; 11-07-2010 at 12:36 PM.
#23
I have been doing some analysis of my 0-60 mph run last night, which was my fastest at just under 5.4 seconds, and for a A/F 14.7 i am at 80% injector duty. So if it is trying to make it anymore rich... which it was, it will be going over 80%. So it confirmed that i need bigger injectors.
However, once again I will say that you should not be mucking about with fuel settings unless you have a wideband O2 system.
Just out of curiosity how much air will a bone stock non-pi motor pull?
It would take 2134/12.5 = 170.7lb/h of fuel to run a 12.5:1 AFR. 170.7/8 = 21.34lb/h per injector, so you would need injectors rated 21.34/0.8 = 26.7lb/h for them to be operating at 80% duty cycle.
But...
170.7lb/h of fuel would support 341fwHP, or 290 or so HP at the wheels.
The 19lb/h injectors used up until 2002, at 90% DC, can support 275fwHP(232rwHP); the 21lb/h units used in '02 through '04 would max out at 300fwHP(261rwHP).
All that said, the bottom line is that if you are running the original, orange, 19lb/h injectors they are indeed likely running at 95+% duty cycle at WOT and at peak HP.
At 262rwHP the 21s in my car were running at 90+%, I recently installed a set of 24lb/h EV6 injectors and the engine is much happier at the top end.
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¹ - An NPI engine would never come near 90% VE, 80% VE would be more likely. Also, all of the above are only very fundamental "rule-of-thumb" assumptions and formulae.
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