Turbo anyone?
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RE: Turbo anyone?
ORIGINAL: Chrome99
Cool. Slap that tiny pully on and an 8 rib and see what it makes, i've always read that the P1 blowers tapped out around 500WHP...
Cool. Slap that tiny pully on and an 8 rib and see what it makes, i've always read that the P1 blowers tapped out around 500WHP...
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RE: Turbo anyone?
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Also, the turbos that can make big power are cosniderably cheaper than s/c that can make big horsepower, that couple with more torque, and less parasitic loss and a much better powerband, I would go turbo (which I am
) any day of the week. If you can fab some piping on your own, turboing is suprisingly cheap, much cheaper than s/c kits that wont have anything close to the power potential of a turbo... but haveing to get a built motor is the kicker.
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Also, the turbos that can make big power are cosniderably cheaper than s/c that can make big horsepower, that couple with more torque, and less parasitic loss and a much better powerband, I would go turbo (which I am
) any day of the week. If you can fab some piping on your own, turboing is suprisingly cheap, much cheaper than s/c kits that wont have anything close to the power potential of a turbo... but haveing to get a built motor is the kicker.\
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if you are still looking at turbo kits a friend of mine has a 01 2V with a helion turbo kit from www.hellionpowersystems.comhe put out 470RWHP on 7 cylinders cause he blew a plug (Man i would love to be able to say i was a 500RWHP car) and HP turbo kits seem to be good to there at www.turbochargedpower.com
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RE: Turbo anyone?
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well ill disagree with you here, a turbo setup (now granted 50 whp is extreme) will beat a centri, being more realistic, I would put money a turbo car with 20-30 less rwhp over a centri charged car... my thread was a little misleading, I said 350 vs 375-400 and Ill stand behind that, Ive seen it personally but I will defintily agree that 50 is the extreme end of that spectrum. As for most of the people who have tried turbos on this forum... they made more power than centris per pound of boost easily, one of the top of my mind made 470 rwhp @ 8lbs, but of course he didnt listen and decided to use a stock block, itlasted about 3 weeks.
Also, the turbos that can make big power are cosniderably cheaper than s/c that can make big horsepower, that couple with more torque, and less parasitic loss and a much better powerband, I would go turbo (which I am) any day of the week. If you can fab some piping on your own, turboing is suprisingly cheap, much cheaper than s/c kits that wont have anything close to the power potential of a turbo... but haveing to get a built motor is the kicker.
and an ls1 with some bolt ons, and probly even a stock 6spd would still pee on a turbo integra with a stock motor, if you advocate turbos on stock 2v motors, you have alot to learn... at least if you expect to make the same power as safely as a s/c... ive said it 1000 times and you can say what you want, ive seen em blow weekly in the past 350-370 is the "safe" limit for turbos on stock 2vs, but its just advice, take it or leave it
well ill disagree with you here, a turbo setup (now granted 50 whp is extreme) will beat a centri, being more realistic, I would put money a turbo car with 20-30 less rwhp over a centri charged car... my thread was a little misleading, I said 350 vs 375-400 and Ill stand behind that, Ive seen it personally but I will defintily agree that 50 is the extreme end of that spectrum. As for most of the people who have tried turbos on this forum... they made more power than centris per pound of boost easily, one of the top of my mind made 470 rwhp @ 8lbs, but of course he didnt listen and decided to use a stock block, itlasted about 3 weeks.
Also, the turbos that can make big power are cosniderably cheaper than s/c that can make big horsepower, that couple with more torque, and less parasitic loss and a much better powerband, I would go turbo (which I am
) any day of the week. If you can fab some piping on your own, turboing is suprisingly cheap, much cheaper than s/c kits that wont have anything close to the power potential of a turbo... but haveing to get a built motor is the kicker.and an ls1 with some bolt ons, and probly even a stock 6spd would still pee on a turbo integra with a stock motor, if you advocate turbos on stock 2v motors, you have alot to learn... at least if you expect to make the same power as safely as a s/c... ive said it 1000 times and you can say what you want, ive seen em blow weekly in the past 350-370 is the "safe" limit for turbos on stock 2vs, but its just advice, take it or leave it
So far as the racing... every setup is a little different. Of course horsepower vs horsepower the turbo may be a little faster at the same power level, this is simply due to the TQ curve the turbo makes compared to a centri, and the top end pull it has compared to a KB.
So far as the pricing, IF you can do all your own bending and welding, and all the fabrication needed its cheaper. thats a BIG if though. If it was easy, everyone would be doing turbo kits for 1500 bucks and calling it a day.
Some people are just willing to spend the extra money for what they REALLY want, not everyone wants a vortech, or a PD blower... regardless of what you could do with the money "saved" from buying a turbo kit. Who cares if you can have a centri,built block etc when its not what youREALLY want?
Also If you can install headers and an intake on these cars then youshould be able topretty much install a basic turbo kit in your garage, in front of your house, wherever really...
Also If you can install headers and an intake on these cars then youshould be able topretty much install a basic turbo kit in your garage, in front of your house, wherever really...
Simply put, superchargers are reliable, realitivly inexpensive, and a great way to add LOTS of power while keeping a car very streetable. Yes, they are much more common than a turbo setup, but I still am only 1 of 2 supercharged GT's that I know in my area. hell, we have a HUGE amount of people in 2v 4.6 and there are probalby what, 20 blower cars at most???
And so what if someone else has one, or they are more common? People go with the easiest, cheapest, and best solution. If alot of people are buying a product, doesn't that say something about it??
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RE: Turbo anyone?
ORIGINAL: mylongvictor
We are looking atclose to600rwhp with Race Gas, 60lbs Fuel Injectors, and Stage II Patriot Heads, and an 8-rib 2.8 pulley.
ORIGINAL: Chrome99
Cool. Slap that tiny pully on and an 8 rib and see what it makes, i've always read that the P1 blowers tapped out around 500WHP...
Cool. Slap that tiny pully on and an 8 rib and see what it makes, i've always read that the P1 blowers tapped out around 500WHP...
I guess we will find out when you post up a dyno sheet
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RE: Turbo anyone?
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If you really want to spend more money and go slower... I guess its up to you. Doesn't make much since to me though.
Simply put, superchargers are reliable, realitivly inexpensive, and a great way to add LOTS of power while keeping a car very streetable. Yes, they are much more common than a turbo setup, but I still am only 1 of 2 supercharged GT's that I know in my area. hell, we have a HUGE amount of people in 2v 4.6 and there are probalby what, 20 blower cars at most???
And so what if someone else has one, or they are more common? People go with the easiest, cheapest, and best solution. If alot of people are buying a product, doesn't that say something about it??
If you really want to spend more money and go slower... I guess its up to you. Doesn't make much since to me though.
Simply put, superchargers are reliable, realitivly inexpensive, and a great way to add LOTS of power while keeping a car very streetable. Yes, they are much more common than a turbo setup, but I still am only 1 of 2 supercharged GT's that I know in my area. hell, we have a HUGE amount of people in 2v 4.6 and there are probalby what, 20 blower cars at most???
And so what if someone else has one, or they are more common? People go with the easiest, cheapest, and best solution. If alot of people are buying a product, doesn't that say something about it??
Actually I would rather spend more money all together to go faster (turbo+built motor). chances are if you can afford a good turbo kit you can afford a forged bottom end. Its seeminglyunlikely that someone would drop 6K on a turbokit then completely stop modding after thatIMO.
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I guess I can't see how you're going to spend SOO much more money on a turbo. I've seen kits that are 5500 and up but if you can get a turbo for 1,000, I just can't see how you're going to spend another 4,500+ on an intercooler, injectors, fuel pumps, waste gate, piping, and a tune. I would think you could put that together for another 2k maybe. Some of these kits are so expensive because you're doing new headers,and a new front suspension, among other things. I really think that someone that knows what they're doing should be able to get into a turbo for 3,000.
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RE: Turbo anyone?
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I guess I can't see how you're going to spend SOO much more money on a turbo. I've seen kits that are 5500 and up but if you can get a turbo for 1,000, I just can't see how you're going to spend another 4,500+ on an intercooler, injectors, fuel pumps, waste gate, piping, and a tune. I would think you could put that together for another 2k maybe. Some of these kits are so expensive because you're doing new headers,and a new front suspension, among other things. I really think that someone that knows what they're doing should be able to get into a turbo for 3,000.
I guess I can't see how you're going to spend SOO much more money on a turbo. I've seen kits that are 5500 and up but if you can get a turbo for 1,000, I just can't see how you're going to spend another 4,500+ on an intercooler, injectors, fuel pumps, waste gate, piping, and a tune. I would think you could put that together for another 2k maybe. Some of these kits are so expensive because you're doing new headers,and a new front suspension, among other things. I really think that someone that knows what they're doing should be able to get into a turbo for 3,000.
If you could put together and build a kit for around 3K then shops would be offering kits for 4000~. You think that MPH and THR are making 1000+ on blower kits??? hardly.
Actually I would rather spend more money all together to go faster (turbo+built motor). chances are if you can afford a good turbo kit you can afford a forged bottom end. Its seeminglyunlikely that someone would drop 6K on a turbokit then completely stop modding after thatIMO.
it starts to get exponetially more expensive the more power you want to make. Its not just a 3000-3500 dollar shortblock, its all that plus the 1100+ dollar tank and pumps, the fuel system, new tunes, etc etc etc. Lots and lots of money.