Engineering degree big whoop. Oh yeah, I forgot, engineers are arrogant douches who act like they know EVERYTHING because they have that inflated sense of ego that they get while they are in that department. How do I know? I room with one.

Sorry, chum, I don't have a flowbench, but you don't either so you can't use that argument against me. I'm going to trust Sean Hyland over an internet-"engineer" because he's been building performance cars and racing them longer than you've been alive. Too bad it's apparent you can't even carry on a debate. As soon as someone brings up a valid point you just go "Oh, buddy, I'm an engineer" and go on spouting nonsense.

Oh and AZ, we were talking about gear driven superchargers; EXISTING self-contained systems (P1/V3) v.s. EXISTING traditional oil-pan tapped systems (V2) . Not hypothetical efficiency between the two.

 

no, you started bitching about something I said, mr brilliant, we never started a debate, nor is this a thread about a debate between self contained and not.

again, show me a P1-SC, which you said out flows the T-trim, that puts out 550rwhp on a stage II built motor. You can't, it hasn't been done, the P1-SC isn't aggressive enough to run that much power. No, me knowing more than you makes me feel like your blowing smoke out your *** because somewhere you read that, oh wait, you didn't even claim a source yet. You havn't even brought up a valid point, the only point you tried to make was completely false.

remind me again, how much power was Nanaki putting down on his S-trim? I believe it was 547rwhp, at 16PSI, show me another member on the forum who is running that much power with a P1, go ahead. this is after all your "point"

 

I never said a P1 was going to equivalent to your T-trim, but your flippin nuts if you don't think a D1 can't hold a candle to your T-trim.

I say there are advantages to running both styles, but to say a self-contained unit is lazy, cheap, and inefficient is downright ignorant. Please explain to me the abundance of F1A/F1R setups out there that are making 800+ RWHP. Oh and D1 setups can make 550+ rwhp. You know how I know? PM Mitch or mylongvictor and they can tell you why.

 

you just said that the s-trim won't match a P1, well nanaki was running an s trim with more power than I have seen anyone with a p1 running, so what you said is completely bull.

your missing the point. do you have any idea what goes into the design of a self contained unit? theres so much more that can go wrong with a self contained unit than with a oil fed unit, theres more reason, logically to use a unit that is fed by engine oil

 

 

Easy there, Mr. Twothousandayezee fivepointohgeetee. You turned this thread into a debate between self contained and not when you posted that the people who buy self contained are lazy, can't do it the right way etc. It seems you and your engineering degree have forgotten that the majority of people who buy superchargers for their Mustangs don't go beyond the level of the stock rotating assembley, and that both systems in comparison make enough boost for those people.

And you never answered my question.

 

copy/pasta right out of a sig. Oh yeah I forgot this cat is only running a 10-12# pulley and this number ISN'T uncommon. I see numbers around 450 rwhp out of P1SC's more often than I do out of S/SQ trims. How many S/SQ trim setups do you see that are even CLOSE to nanaki's numbers? Most of the members on here are still figuring out how to break 400rwhp.

PS - I'm prepared to admit Vortech makes a good blower if you can admit that a broad, general statement you made about self-contained blowers is ignorant.

 

My question had nothing to do with physics or dynamics.It was based on an economicalhypothesis.My question was based on the idea of vortech going with newer technology (new for them) and which would drive the demand down on the V-2 [particially because the V-3 is easier to install (this is an assumption of course because you don't have to tap the oil pan) and easier to maintain] therfore lowering prices a little. Just a thought!

 

Exactly! But what did I tell you? Engineers tend to make things more complicated than they really are.

A Business Information Systems major like myself would come in and address the problem in a user friendly way that Joe Schmoe would understand.

 

I haven't really looked into the V3 yet to be able to compare it to any other like brand. But ATI prochargers are more effecient then vortech S/Cs. Like said above its nice to have the self contained sc over the oil fed ones just for the safety barrier. If the engine blows you risk destroying the sc if the sc goes the engine is sure as **** gone. I have done my research on all superchargers out there before I bought my F1A.

Oh by the way I do have an engineering degree and I am ASE certified. Plus I do my own work and know what goes into my car unlike some.