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Old Sep 16, 2008 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SUP3RSTANG
for 10k i just got on MMRs site, got the 600hp shortblock, went to CMS got fox lake stage 2 heads and 2v blower cams, cam gears, valve springs, FULL suspension setup from AM+ 31 spline dif axels with driveshaft and flywheel.

for 1500 more u can build a vortech system buying everything separate and have a pretty mean ride id say u get a bit more than it seems
Sorry I was not clear, to do something the best that you can, 10k is not much
Old Sep 16, 2008 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Stevecooper
Sorry I was not clear, to do something the best that you can, 10k is not much
o yea i hear ya lol.. my $ total topped out at 19000 for EVERYTHING lol.. this also included a ball bearing turbo kit, racing seat(can u tell i want to build a strictly track car? lol)

around where i live, they offer classes. u take 2 classes then get ur license to race.. sign up for the races and evey weekend u hit up different tracks around texas during the season and race competitively

i figure 19k+ 4-6k for a straight body sn95 would **** n get on the open track
Old Sep 17, 2008 | 12:15 AM
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Don't forget about fuel system. Anything above 550hp is gonna require a completely new fuel system from tank to rail. My fuel system that is capable of handeling 1000hp cost $1300 alone.

Then you got to add cost of tuning, gaskets, fluids, and all the little things.

For $10,000 you will be lucky to get 600hp.
Old Sep 17, 2008 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mustangman281
Don't forget about fuel system. Anything above 550hp is gonna require a completely new fuel system from tank to rail. My fuel system that is capable of handeling 1000hp cost $1300 alone.

Then you got to add cost of tuning, gaskets, fluids, and all the little things.

For $10,000 you will be lucky to get 600hp.
the car i want to build will only have about 500~ rwhp. i tent to over build things just in case ya know.
Old Sep 17, 2008 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jfrazi35
Okay I have a 2001 GT and I am finally at the point where I need more power and have the money to do so!

I plan on doing a 4v swap (03-04 cobra heads), a nice set of cams, and a .10 over forged piston and rod kit, and all the necessary basic upgrades.

But my question is should i go with the supercharger, single mid size turbo, or two small turbos???

I am looking for anywhere from 500-800rwhp.

Help please.
alright, well, lets go through this piece by piece.

1. 4V heads alone are $1800 a piece new, cams are close to 1200 for a decent set (thanks Svtee). Right there, your looking for what, ~5000

Personally, I'd reccomend a good fuel system if your going to go with turbo's, mainly because of the fact that your going to be running a much different boost curve, etc, and safety is more important when you have them temps that you will get with a turbo setup.

so 2. Fuel system. As Mustangman281 said, the A1000 Is $1300+, and unless you can fab up your own sumped tank, that's pretty much your only option.

3. Hopefully you don't want to run up to 800Rwhp on your stock transmission. People can blow their trans with stock power, so do you honestly think your going to get to 800hp with it? I mean, there is the rare occasion such as nanaki who was running 600rwhp with his stock T5 I believe, but he also never raced the car, he babied it quite a bit from what I remember.

anyway, a new trans will run you anywhere from 1500-3100 dollars, assuming your already running a 5spd.

4. your rotating assembly is basically going to blow up shortly after you get to 400rwhp, whether you spit out a rod or two, or crack a piston, well thats fate, but it will happen, it will only be a matter of time. New rotating assembly = 1500

KEEP IN MIND, ALL OF THIS IS WITH YOU DOING 100% OF THE WORK, NOT HAVING A SHOP INSTALL IT. depending on the job, some shops will charge 60/hr. Considering a blower install is a 6-8hr job, that's already $300-500, and the ammount of work only goes up from there.

If your going to go with a turbo, I just posted a whole list of stuff to consider in a different thread, my suggestion would be to find it, but what you go with is dependant on what type of driving you will be doing. I mean, you can go with any of them, the only difference is how pleased you would be.
Old Sep 17, 2008 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 2000AZ5.0GT
alright, well, lets go through this piece by piece.

1. 4V heads alone are $1800 a piece new, cams are close to 1200 for a decent set (thanks Svtee). Right there, your looking for what, ~5000

Personally, I'd reccomend a good fuel system if your going to go with turbo's, mainly because of the fact that your going to be running a much different boost curve, etc, and safety is more important when you have them temps that you will get with a turbo setup.

so 2. Fuel system. As Mustangman281 said, the A1000 Is $1300+, and unless you can fab up your own sumped tank, that's pretty much your only option.

3. Hopefully you don't want to run up to 800Rwhp on your stock transmission. People can blow their trans with stock power, so do you honestly think your going to get to 800hp with it? I mean, there is the rare occasion such as nanaki who was running 600rwhp with his stock T5 I believe, but he also never raced the car, he babied it quite a bit from what I remember.

anyway, a new trans will run you anywhere from 1500-3100 dollars, assuming your already running a 5spd.

4. your rotating assembly is basically going to blow up shortly after you get to 400rwhp, whether you spit out a rod or two, or crack a piston, well thats fate, but it will happen, it will only be a matter of time. New rotating assembly = 1500

KEEP IN MIND, ALL OF THIS IS WITH YOU DOING 100% OF THE WORK, NOT HAVING A SHOP INSTALL IT. depending on the job, some shops will charge 60/hr. Considering a blower install is a 6-8hr job, that's already $300-500, and the ammount of work only goes up from there.

If your going to go with a turbo, I just posted a whole list of stuff to consider in a different thread, my suggestion would be to find it, but what you go with is dependant on what type of driving you will be doing. I mean, you can go with any of them, the only difference is how pleased you would be.
this is not true.. there are plenty of members on here who have been running 400-425 RWHP on there stock bottom end since iv been a member(over 2 years on my old account) and there bottm end hasnt cracked yet. its all in the tune mang. everything iv ever seen puts the barrier at 450RHP not 400
Old Sep 17, 2008 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SUP3RSTANG
this is not true.. there are plenty of members on here who have been running 400-425 RWHP on there stock bottom end since iv been a member(over 2 years on my old account) and there bottm end hasnt cracked yet. its all in the tune mang. everything iv ever seen puts the barrier at 450RHP not 400
Yeah but are they running turbos. A turbo is a whole different animal then a supercharger. It is much harder on the engine. A supercharger will hit max boost at 6000rpm and a turbo will hit max boost around 3200rpms. They hit much harder and are much hotter. I have seen plenty of 380rwhp turbo 4.6s blow even with a great tune.
Old Sep 17, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SUP3RSTANG
this is not true.. there are plenty of members on here who have been running 400-425 RWHP on there stock bottom end since iv been a member(over 2 years on my old account) and there bottm end hasnt cracked yet. its all in the tune mang. everything iv ever seen puts the barrier at 450RHP not 400
I've seen that 450 rwhp number thrown out a lot as the limit of stock internals. Yet, I haven't actually heard anyone say that their motor held up more than a few months at 450 rwhp. And the 400-420 rwhp numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt. Yes, there are cars out there that have been running for a couple of years at that level, but they have all of the supporting mods that allow their internals to do it. Things that help take stress off the stock rods and pistons.

To the OP, $10,000 isn't much money for what you're wanting to do. It's fairly easy to get to 400-420 rwhp. It get's hard (and expensive) to go higher than that. Besides changing a motor from 2v to 4v is not a simple task and you will need a lot more parts than just the heads. I've been told it is cheaper to just buy a 4v motor.
Old Sep 17, 2008 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Eagle2000GT
I've seen that 450 rwhp number thrown out a lot as the limit of stock internals. Yet, I haven't actually heard anyone say that their motor held up more than a few months at 450 rwhp. And the 400-420 rwhp numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt. Yes, there are cars out there that have been running for a couple of years at that level, but they have all of the supporting mods that allow their internals to do it. Things that help take stress off the stock rods and pistons.

To the OP, $10,000 isn't much money for what you're wanting to do. It's fairly easy to get to 400-420 rwhp. It get's hard (and expensive) to go higher than that. Besides changing a motor from 2v to 4v is not a simple task and you will need a lot more parts than just the heads. I've been told it is cheaper to just buy a 4v motor.
i know of 1 person specificaly who HAS A STOCK BOTTOM END, he doesnt get on here much anymore tho 2000gt4.6 IIRC and there is a few others on here who have the same setup he does. its all in the tune
Old Sep 17, 2008 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SUP3RSTANG
i know of 1 person specificaly who HAS A STOCK BOTTOM END, he doesnt get on here much anymore tho 2000gt4.6 IIRC and there is a few others on here who have the same setup he does. its all in the tune
He's running a Vortech S-trim, completely different. With a turbo not only are your running close to 300* temps before the intercooler, but as Mustangman281 said, properly sized you will see full boost at 3200RPM, which is significantly more of a load on the engine. With a turbo, you ARE going to blow up your internals shortly after 400RWHP, and possibly before that depending on how much abuse your engine has seen prior to having the turbo on there.



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