oil change FIASCO!!!!
01-11-2010, 05:13 PM
#21
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Location: Saint Augustine, FL
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I would not use a Fram filter on a go-kart--here's an oil filter dissection and write-up I did several years ago, I doubt they've gotten any better...
01-11-2010, 05:32 PM
#23
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Last edited by cliffyk; 01-11-2010 at 05:35 PM.
01-11-2010, 06:16 PM
#24
aka 'Negative Nancy'
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ohio
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http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfi...html#fram-ph8a
01-11-2010, 06:23 PM
#25
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Acworth,Ga.
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I hope this makes you feel a little better. One time I was in a hurry, and changed the Oil. Filled up the crankcase, and went to start it and all the oil was on the floor. I forgot the Drain Plug! If I hadn't gone to the passenger side, I would have started it up with NO OIL! Never again, have I been in a hurry to change the oil.
01-11-2010, 07:23 PM
#26
2nd Gear Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 431
This sucks, I know the feeling - Kinda.
I just had bought my house and was doing my first oil change in my new garage on my F250 Powerstroke (15 QTS of 15W40 oil capacity).
I bought a new 15 QT drain pan from Walmart.
Just started to drain the oil out and saw it leaking from the bottom of the pan. New pan had a small hole in the bottom.
Truck was still hot, couldn't get the plug back in the oilpan.
15 QTS of steamy hot oil all over my brand new garage floor.
I was tiffed.
I just had bought my house and was doing my first oil change in my new garage on my F250 Powerstroke (15 QTS of 15W40 oil capacity).
I bought a new 15 QT drain pan from Walmart.
Just started to drain the oil out and saw it leaking from the bottom of the pan. New pan had a small hole in the bottom.
Truck was still hot, couldn't get the plug back in the oilpan.
15 QTS of steamy hot oil all over my brand new garage floor.
I was tiffed.
01-11-2010, 07:49 PM
#27
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Saint Augustine, FL
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guess i stand corrected...i was told the PH8A for mod motors did not have cardboard end caps, but your link said otherwise, and i looked up the actual filter, and it says the same
http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfi...html#fram-ph8a
http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfi...html#fram-ph8a
Maybe they have changed, but every Fram filter I and many others have opened has been a cardboard capped POS, right down to the plastic strainers and support members. They were consistently the worst of the dozen or so different brands of filters I have personally cut open.
My early Miatas had real oil pressure gauges, measured after the filter as are most, Fram filters were so restrictive that they would reduce the main gallery pressure by 5psi to 12psi as compared to a Purolator or Mazda filter. The Bosch filters that set off the whole thing were equally bad in this regard.
On my '03 GT I use the Motorcraft 820S filter as I can get it at WallyWorld for $3.50. I have did cut one open and found it to be of good quality.
01-12-2010, 08:05 AM
#29
aka 'Negative Nancy'
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,839
Maybe they have changed, but every Fram filter I and many others have opened has been a cardboard capped POS, right down to the plastic strainers and support members. They were consistently the worst of the dozen or so different brands of filters I have personally cut open.
My early Miatas had real oil pressure gauges, measured after the filter as are most, Fram filters were so restrictive that they would reduce the main gallery pressure by 5psi to 12psi as compared to a Purolator or Mazda filter. The Bosch filters that set off the whole thing were equally bad in this regard.
On my '03 GT I use the Motorcraft 820S filter as I can get it at WallyWorld for $3.50. I have did cut one open and found it to be of good quality.
My early Miatas had real oil pressure gauges, measured after the filter as are most, Fram filters were so restrictive that they would reduce the main gallery pressure by 5psi to 12psi as compared to a Purolator or Mazda filter. The Bosch filters that set off the whole thing were equally bad in this regard.
On my '03 GT I use the Motorcraft 820S filter as I can get it at WallyWorld for $3.50. I have did cut one open and found it to be of good quality.
motorcraft will be my filter of choice with my big block as well...i run k&n in my daily, but only because the closest dealership is 50mins away and autozone only carries k&n and some cheap purlator...canister filter
01-12-2010, 08:10 AM
#30
5th Gear Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,312
Changing my oil today as I have done a million times and it turned into an unbelievable mess...
I started my car after changing the oil and oil filter. The car ran for about 10 seconds then started making a nasty sputtering / spitting sound. I immediately shut it off to find who knows how many quarts of oil ponding on the concrete.
I figured out that the stupid rubber gasket from the old oil filter stuck to the oil pump when I removed it. I didn't realize that the old gasket was there and snugged the new filter up to it. The old gasket blew out when the oil came up to pressure causing a huge mess.
I got it all cleaned up, but now I have an unknown amount of oil in the car. Its dark out now and I don't have any work lights, so tomorrow I will drain the new oil out and fill it back up. Sorry for the long post...just needed a good rant.
I started my car after changing the oil and oil filter. The car ran for about 10 seconds then started making a nasty sputtering / spitting sound. I immediately shut it off to find who knows how many quarts of oil ponding on the concrete.
I figured out that the stupid rubber gasket from the old oil filter stuck to the oil pump when I removed it. I didn't realize that the old gasket was there and snugged the new filter up to it. The old gasket blew out when the oil came up to pressure causing a huge mess.
I got it all cleaned up, but now I have an unknown amount of oil in the car. Its dark out now and I don't have any work lights, so tomorrow I will drain the new oil out and fill it back up. Sorry for the long post...just needed a good rant.