Cams for a 2006
08-09-2006, 08:17 PM
#11
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RE: Cams for a 2006
ORIGINAL: Jeremy@JnJPerformanc
Maybe some of you guys are new to this sport, but for as long as the internet as been around people have been helping other people learn new information.
Why not come on here and see what cam's are working the best, who is making the best grinds, etc? This is a place to learn. Many of you guys have more experience in 1 part then the next guy, and as he learns from you, you can also learn from him.
To give full detail to this question, the customer came in. I tried to sell him a procharger but he didn't want to go SC and already had Nitrous installed.
We were the 3rd shop he had visited and the first to take the time to hear what he wanted to try and help him out. He knows very little about what he is trying to do but know's he want's more power, and like the way the cams sound.
We have done 5 procharger install's and 1 Vortech this year alone on the 05/06 cars.
We have also done over 100 cam swap's in LS1/LS2 car's as we work on both Ford and GM product's.
We have over 10 cars that run between 5.20-5.70 in the 1/8 mile with stock suspension, and on drag radials. We have customer's that have won their faor share of fun ford event's including wild street, and some top finishes in Drag Radial.
Look up Mike Freeman who won every race in his class during a entire season except 2 races in which he broke during the event. Making cars go fast isn't something we are new at and changing cam's is a normal thing, just not in the new style Stang.
With all that said we have plenty to learn, and that is why I am hear asking questions.
I realize me as a shop asking you guys as general public question's look's kinda funny, but how else do you suggest I learn?
I bet any of you would rather me come on here and find out the best cam's to do, then not come on here and put a set of cam's in your car that makes 5 extra HP and now you have wasted over 2 thousand dollars for 5 HP.
Also the cam swap is something one of our guys did at another shop before he was here full time. He was just a installer and installed the parts the customer brought in. Said after tuning the car only picked up right at 15HP. So as far as install wise we do have some experience there, but again why not find out what the most powerful grings are?
To those who have replied and tried to help, Thanks.
I now know to stay away from BBR.
Again Thanks for the reply's.
Jeremy
Maybe some of you guys are new to this sport, but for as long as the internet as been around people have been helping other people learn new information.
Why not come on here and see what cam's are working the best, who is making the best grinds, etc? This is a place to learn. Many of you guys have more experience in 1 part then the next guy, and as he learns from you, you can also learn from him.
To give full detail to this question, the customer came in. I tried to sell him a procharger but he didn't want to go SC and already had Nitrous installed.
We were the 3rd shop he had visited and the first to take the time to hear what he wanted to try and help him out. He knows very little about what he is trying to do but know's he want's more power, and like the way the cams sound.
We have done 5 procharger install's and 1 Vortech this year alone on the 05/06 cars.
We have also done over 100 cam swap's in LS1/LS2 car's as we work on both Ford and GM product's.
We have over 10 cars that run between 5.20-5.70 in the 1/8 mile with stock suspension, and on drag radials. We have customer's that have won their faor share of fun ford event's including wild street, and some top finishes in Drag Radial.
Look up Mike Freeman who won every race in his class during a entire season except 2 races in which he broke during the event. Making cars go fast isn't something we are new at and changing cam's is a normal thing, just not in the new style Stang.
With all that said we have plenty to learn, and that is why I am hear asking questions.
I realize me as a shop asking you guys as general public question's look's kinda funny, but how else do you suggest I learn?
I bet any of you would rather me come on here and find out the best cam's to do, then not come on here and put a set of cam's in your car that makes 5 extra HP and now you have wasted over 2 thousand dollars for 5 HP.
Also the cam swap is something one of our guys did at another shop before he was here full time. He was just a installer and installed the parts the customer brought in. Said after tuning the car only picked up right at 15HP. So as far as install wise we do have some experience there, but again why not find out what the most powerful grings are?
To those who have replied and tried to help, Thanks.
I now know to stay away from BBR.
Again Thanks for the reply's.
Jeremy
Please call some cam manufacturers and other shops that have done cams. It's a really bad idea to ask us. Not to mention really unethical. I mean I could just open up a business doing whatever and going online and asking people on a forum when I get stuck.
08-09-2006, 10:16 PM
#12
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RE: Cams for a 2006
Well Jeremy, lets take it point by point, since I own a business I can give you my own examples, take them anyway you wish.
Agreed, however most professionals get some hands on with the product, If I ever went to a computer forum to ask advice on what CPU or Memory to install in a customer computer I'd get laughed off the forum.
Because as a Pro, you're supposed to have contacts with the boys at Comp Cams, Lunati or whomever, coming here to ask which cam is best tells your customer base and us that you lack these contacts, which is scary.
Everybody loves the way cams sound, and with nitrous would be a potent combo, I digress, it's good you heard him out.
So do many guys working out of their own garage, this doesn't mean you're the right guy for this job, I don't think you could dissagree.
Mike Freeman has much more to do with winning than what you have done, do you pit crew the car, wrench on it at the race to keep it going? If so great, if not, you did a fine job on building his engine, but he takes the credit for the rest. You mean you've never done a cam swap in a 2V or any of the 4V's over the past 10 years?? And you say you work on Ford's, right? Being a new style stang doesn't mean squat, it's not like they reinvented the wheel for this car.
Why aren't you contacting your suppliers, other race shops who have worked on the internals of the 3V? I can have info on new product in seconds for my business, from their "internal private forums" that small business have access too, their product specialists respond 24x7 in these places. Just like they do for auto shops. The 3V has been out for 2 product years, I could finish with an inference to this but you get the picture I'm sure.
If you installed a set of cams into my car, and I only got 5hp out of it, I'd be pissed because you only got info from a forum, installed something wrong and I only got 5hp!! I like any customer would expect you to have the knowledge it takes...
So, the shop he worked at just took the parts, and threw them in, sounds like there might be another side to that story.
I'm glad some people helped, personally, I hope you make some contacts where they count for the business that you do, using a "public" forum to make decisions on a customers expensive ride is ignorant and the consumer deserves much much more.
ORIGINAL: Jeremy@JnJPerformanc
Maybe some of you guys are new to this sport, but for as long as the internet as been around people have been helping other people learn new information.
Maybe some of you guys are new to this sport, but for as long as the internet as been around people have been helping other people learn new information.
Why not come on here and see what cam's are working the best, who is making the best grinds, etc? This is a place to learn. Many of you guys have more experience in 1 part then the next guy, and as he learns from you, you can also learn from him.
To give full detail to this question, the customer came in. I tried to sell him a procharger but he didn't want to go SC and already had Nitrous installed.
We were the 3rd shop he had visited and the first to take the time to hear what he wanted to try and help him out. He knows very little about what he is trying to do but know's he want's more power, and like the way the cams sound.
We were the 3rd shop he had visited and the first to take the time to hear what he wanted to try and help him out. He knows very little about what he is trying to do but know's he want's more power, and like the way the cams sound.
We have done 5 procharger install's and 1 Vortech this year alone on the 05/06 cars.
We have also done over 100 cam swap's in LS1/LS2 car's as we work on both Ford and GM product's.
We have over 10 cars that run between 5.20-5.70 in the 1/8 mile with stock suspension, and on drag radials. We have customer's that have won their faor share of fun ford event's including wild street, and some top finishes in Drag Radial.
We have also done over 100 cam swap's in LS1/LS2 car's as we work on both Ford and GM product's.
We have over 10 cars that run between 5.20-5.70 in the 1/8 mile with stock suspension, and on drag radials. We have customer's that have won their faor share of fun ford event's including wild street, and some top finishes in Drag Radial.
Look up Mike Freeman who won every race in his class during a entire season except 2 races in which he broke during the event. Making cars go fast isn't something we are new at and changing cam's is a normal thing, just not in the new style Stang.
With all that said we have plenty to learn, and that is why I am hear asking questions.
I realize me as a shop asking you guys as general public question's look's kinda funny, but how else do you suggest I learn?
I realize me as a shop asking you guys as general public question's look's kinda funny, but how else do you suggest I learn?
I bet any of you would rather me come on here and find out the best cam's to do, then not come on here and put a set of cam's in your car that makes 5 extra HP and now you have wasted over 2 thousand dollars for 5 HP.
Also the cam swap is something one of our guys did at another shop before he was here full time. He was just a installer and installed the parts the customer brought in. Said after tuning the car only picked up right at 15HP. So as far as install wise we do have some experience there, but again why not find out what the most powerful grings are?
To those who have replied and tried to help, Thanks.
I now know to stay away from BBR.
Again Thanks for the reply's.
Jeremy
I now know to stay away from BBR.
Again Thanks for the reply's.
Jeremy
I'm glad some people helped, personally, I hope you make some contacts where they count for the business that you do, using a "public" forum to make decisions on a customers expensive ride is ignorant and the consumer deserves much much more.
08-09-2006, 11:18 PM
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RE: Cams for a 2006
ORIGINAL: ScreamingYellow
Damn it! Now you guys have probably scared him away, when in reality we all want to see the numbers this install is going to produce!!!
Damn it! Now you guys have probably scared him away, when in reality we all want to see the numbers this install is going to produce!!!
Sometimes it seems like some members are just waiting to pounce on a post, but alas that is a common problem on most internet forums. Ask the wrong question or ask it in the wrong way and you get flamed.
08-10-2006, 12:42 AM
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RE: Cams for a 2006
ORIGINAL: ScreamingYellow
Damn it! Now you guys have probably scared him away, when in reality we all want to see the numbers this install is going to produce!!!
Damn it! Now you guys have probably scared him away, when in reality we all want to see the numbers this install is going to produce!!!
08-10-2006, 12:44 AM
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RE: Cams for a 2006
ORIGINAL: XLeatherNeck
Yeah, he is as good as gone now.
Sometimes it seems like some members are just waiting to pounce on a post, but alas that is a common problem on most internet forums. Ask the wrong question or ask it in the wrong way and you get flamed.
ORIGINAL: ScreamingYellow
Damn it! Now you guys have probably scared him away, when in reality we all want to see the numbers this install is going to produce!!!
Damn it! Now you guys have probably scared him away, when in reality we all want to see the numbers this install is going to produce!!!
Sometimes it seems like some members are just waiting to pounce on a post, but alas that is a common problem on most internet forums. Ask the wrong question or ask it in the wrong way and you get flamed.
08-10-2006, 01:39 AM
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RE: Cams for a 2006
ORIGINAL: viking396
I don't agree, he came into a public forum as a professional mechanic asking for CAM advice, you don't think that's ignorant and a little scary? Personally I wouldn't believe what ever he posts because why? He's new here and this is the internet, where everybody run 9's and a tune gets you 250 hp.
I don't agree, he came into a public forum as a professional mechanic asking for CAM advice, you don't think that's ignorant and a little scary? Personally I wouldn't believe what ever he posts because why? He's new here and this is the internet, where everybody run 9's and a tune gets you 250 hp.
I was kinda lookin forward to seeing someone take this leap and show us insight to the promise land "3v cam swaps w/results" but it isnt a very good idea as a Professional to ask the general public advice...There-in giving us a little look into how he is researching this...
I think alot of times people use the internet forum message boards for instant gratisfaction.....Intsead of just spending a little more time usin the search options, instead they post a question that has been answered a dozen times already.
On a personal note to poster, I would come back with a different user name...Ask a similar question without mentioning you are a prof. service tech looking for info on cams, and you are guaranteed not to get flamed as bad
08-10-2006, 02:05 AM
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RE: Cams for a 2006
ORIGINAL: SweetGT
Agreed.....Though,
I was kinda lookin forward to seeing someone take this leap and show us insight to the promise land "3v cam swaps w/results" but it isnt a very good idea as a Professional to ask the general public advice...There-in giving us a little look into how he is researching this...
I think alot of times people use the internet forum message boards for instant gratisfaction.....Intsead of just spending a little more time usin the search options, instead they post a question that has been answered a dozen times already.
On a personal note to poster, I would come back with a different user name...Ask a similar question without mentioning you are a prof. service tech looking for info on cams, and you are guaranteed not to get flamed as bad
ORIGINAL: viking396
I don't agree, he came into a public forum as a professional mechanic asking for CAM advice, you don't think that's ignorant and a little scary? Personally I wouldn't believe what ever he posts because why? He's new here and this is the internet, where everybody run 9's and a tune gets you 250 hp.
I don't agree, he came into a public forum as a professional mechanic asking for CAM advice, you don't think that's ignorant and a little scary? Personally I wouldn't believe what ever he posts because why? He's new here and this is the internet, where everybody run 9's and a tune gets you 250 hp.
I was kinda lookin forward to seeing someone take this leap and show us insight to the promise land "3v cam swaps w/results" but it isnt a very good idea as a Professional to ask the general public advice...There-in giving us a little look into how he is researching this...
I think alot of times people use the internet forum message boards for instant gratisfaction.....Intsead of just spending a little more time usin the search options, instead they post a question that has been answered a dozen times already.
On a personal note to poster, I would come back with a different user name...Ask a similar question without mentioning you are a prof. service tech looking for info on cams, and you are guaranteed not to get flamed as bad
08-10-2006, 06:30 AM
#19
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RE: Cams for a 2006
Ok I'll throw my $.02 in on this one!
Ease up on the guy! Face it, there really isn't all that much cam info on our 3V 4.6 engines. Sure one can call each cam manufactuer and hear their claims to HP/torque. But we all know those conversations are a little bit inflated.
Seems to me the guy came in here and asked his question because usually on a forum like this there are a few members that have had personal experience with about any question one could think to ask. Look how many 05/06 superchaged 4.6s there are on this forum. I would have never attempted installing my Saleen S/C without forms like this one and others to field questions and read what others that have done the same thing have to say. I know WAY more people that have added a S/C to our 3V 4.6 then anyone that has done a cam swap on these same engines. Now he wasn't asking, 'How do I do a cam swap?" He was asking for real world experiences from the FEW that have tried different cams in these engines. Not really an odd question for a shop at all. Given the amount of info that is truly avalible. Now, if he would have been asking about a 302 with 10:1 compression and blah blah valves and this and that. Well that info is common knowledge to many shops and I would be skeptical of a shop asking about those engines needing a good cam. But again not to many people swapping cams in our cars. If so do tell ...... How can I reach the elusive 500 hp with my current set up with changing cams alone? (only need 20-25 hp) 05SDI
Ease up on the guy! Face it, there really isn't all that much cam info on our 3V 4.6 engines. Sure one can call each cam manufactuer and hear their claims to HP/torque. But we all know those conversations are a little bit inflated.
Seems to me the guy came in here and asked his question because usually on a forum like this there are a few members that have had personal experience with about any question one could think to ask. Look how many 05/06 superchaged 4.6s there are on this forum. I would have never attempted installing my Saleen S/C without forms like this one and others to field questions and read what others that have done the same thing have to say. I know WAY more people that have added a S/C to our 3V 4.6 then anyone that has done a cam swap on these same engines. Now he wasn't asking, 'How do I do a cam swap?" He was asking for real world experiences from the FEW that have tried different cams in these engines. Not really an odd question for a shop at all. Given the amount of info that is truly avalible. Now, if he would have been asking about a 302 with 10:1 compression and blah blah valves and this and that. Well that info is common knowledge to many shops and I would be skeptical of a shop asking about those engines needing a good cam. But again not to many people swapping cams in our cars. If so do tell ...... How can I reach the elusive 500 hp with my current set up with changing cams alone? (only need 20-25 hp) 05SDI
