tranny woes , maybe it is 6 speed time???
#21
The 3650Extreme is a piece we are very proud of. Keeps a lot of guys from having to plop down almost $3000 to get a TKO in an 05-08.
I really like the GM Synchromesh, which is what the SMax is patterned after. Cooler is better, and as long as the fluid slings at the proper rate to allow good synchronization you should be good. A transmission is designed with it's fluid as a moving part and synchronization depends on the fluid having the correct lubricity and sling rate. It's not like an engine where more slippery and more detergent value is almost always better.
Sometimes the wrong fluid can either evacuate or hold on to the synchros too long and cause crunchy shifting. SMax has been known to cause this. You may want to go back to the OE recommended fluid (cheap old Dex 3) and see if that cleans up your shifting. I did not even think to ask what fluid you were running. The good news is that the wrong fluid does not cause lasting damage even if the gears crunch a bit, unless you are beating the $hit out of the transmission.
I really like the GM Synchromesh, which is what the SMax is patterned after. Cooler is better, and as long as the fluid slings at the proper rate to allow good synchronization you should be good. A transmission is designed with it's fluid as a moving part and synchronization depends on the fluid having the correct lubricity and sling rate. It's not like an engine where more slippery and more detergent value is almost always better.
Sometimes the wrong fluid can either evacuate or hold on to the synchros too long and cause crunchy shifting. SMax has been known to cause this. You may want to go back to the OE recommended fluid (cheap old Dex 3) and see if that cleans up your shifting. I did not even think to ask what fluid you were running. The good news is that the wrong fluid does not cause lasting damage even if the gears crunch a bit, unless you are beating the $hit out of the transmission.
Now i'm confused. For the record, I HAVE NO SHIFTING ISSUES, no clunky shifting, no issues at all. Doc stang was the original poster with shifting issues and I don't even know what clutch he has.
I was just curious if the synchromax is bad for the 3650. I've been using it since July or August with no issues. Still waiting to here from royal purple.
Hammeron, vacuum bleeding is the factory recommended method as you probably know, but I and many others have successfully bled our clutches by simply jacking the drivers side front way up high and pumping the clutch slowly, then progessively getting faster. It will take a few times before you get the pedal back, but it does work.
I did use my hand to push the pedal in the beginning and I redid the whole process 2 days later.
Last edited by moosestang; 12-09-2008 at 05:36 PM.
#22
thank you AmericanPowertrain, i have an
air compressor so this vacuula item sounds
interesting, i'll look into that
moose, i do know you had great success doing
it that way, i was just curious if there was another
method
air compressor so this vacuula item sounds
interesting, i'll look into that
moose, i do know you had great success doing
it that way, i was just curious if there was another
method
#23
It won't hurt to do both. Did you figure out where the 2 long bolts go for the transmission? I thought maybe I had the wrong bolts, but at least you confirmed that 2 or yours were longer than the others.
#24
I found my answer by checking their frequently asked questions.
"For manual transmissions and / or transfer cases specifying a Ford Mercon® or GM Dexron® ATF, Royal Purple recommends either its Max ATF or for greater performance, its Synchromax."
"For manual transmissions and / or transfer cases specifying a Ford Mercon® or GM Dexron® ATF, Royal Purple recommends either its Max ATF or for greater performance, its Synchromax."
#25
i saw somewhere that the longer bolts go through
where the 2 transmission/engine dowels are, so
that's where i ended up putting them (they went
in very easily).
it was for an 03/04 cobra, but i figured well maybe
the same thing applied to our trannys. if i was wrong, then
maybe they are in there for good now.
where the 2 transmission/engine dowels are, so
that's where i ended up putting them (they went
in very easily).
it was for an 03/04 cobra, but i figured well maybe
the same thing applied to our trannys. if i was wrong, then
maybe they are in there for good now.
#26
I am on a business trip but I dont think my car moves at all, but I will try it when I get home in 2 weeks.
I dont really have any problems once the car is in motion, only getting into first and reverse. I also think it has something to do with temprature as it gets harder and harder the longer I drive, and when I feel heat from the trans. When it is cold it goes easy. I wonder if changing to a different "better" fluid would help. What is recommended. Honestly if I am not doing any horrendous damage I think I will just leave it be, other than the fluid change.
I will keep your trans upgrade in mind as I probably wont ever go over 650 fwhp, and $1900 isnt bad really. Do you do core swaps or anything?
Thanks,
I dont really have any problems once the car is in motion, only getting into first and reverse. I also think it has something to do with temprature as it gets harder and harder the longer I drive, and when I feel heat from the trans. When it is cold it goes easy. I wonder if changing to a different "better" fluid would help. What is recommended. Honestly if I am not doing any horrendous damage I think I will just leave it be, other than the fluid change.
I will keep your trans upgrade in mind as I probably wont ever go over 650 fwhp, and $1900 isnt bad really. Do you do core swaps or anything?
Thanks,
#27
3650Extreme Q&A
I am on a business trip but I dont think my car moves at all, but I will try it when I get home in 2 weeks.
I dont really have any problems once the car is in motion, only getting into first and reverse. I also think it has something to do with temprature as it gets harder and harder the longer I drive, and when I feel heat from the trans. When it is cold it goes easy. I wonder if changing to a different "better" fluid would help. What is recommended. Honestly if I am not doing any horrendous damage I think I will just leave it be, other than the fluid change.
I will keep your trans upgrade in mind as I probably wont ever go over 650 fwhp, and $1900 isnt bad really. Do you do core swaps or anything?
Thanks,
I dont really have any problems once the car is in motion, only getting into first and reverse. I also think it has something to do with temprature as it gets harder and harder the longer I drive, and when I feel heat from the trans. When it is cold it goes easy. I wonder if changing to a different "better" fluid would help. What is recommended. Honestly if I am not doing any horrendous damage I think I will just leave it be, other than the fluid change.
I will keep your trans upgrade in mind as I probably wont ever go over 650 fwhp, and $1900 isnt bad really. Do you do core swaps or anything?
Thanks,
As far as core swaps go, the 3650 products carry a $350 core charge or you can send your own transmission in to be built into an Extreme and sent back. A lot of guys do this to avoid the core charge and because they want their own gearbox back. This is not a great option if you cannot be without the car for a few weeks while the trans gets built, but we always return the core charge promptly when the old transmission arrives.
Let me know if you want to get something on order. AP
#28
Thanks AP.
I have to say from what I feel in the car, it sound like it isnt lined up correctly and I have to pull through it hard. Sounds like I have a "tight shaft". I will have to tell the wife
Temp also seems to be a contributor. I have about 19k miles on the car with the original fluid and about 12k miles of that is with the SC. Probably a good time to change it out.
I will try all that and see what happens.
I will bookmark your site for any trans needs I have. Appreciate the input and it is nice to have a trans person around as that is one part of the car I know next to nothing about.
I have to say from what I feel in the car, it sound like it isnt lined up correctly and I have to pull through it hard. Sounds like I have a "tight shaft". I will have to tell the wife
Temp also seems to be a contributor. I have about 19k miles on the car with the original fluid and about 12k miles of that is with the SC. Probably a good time to change it out.
I will try all that and see what happens.
I will bookmark your site for any trans needs I have. Appreciate the input and it is nice to have a trans person around as that is one part of the car I know next to nothing about.
#29
Transmission Guy
Thanks AP.
I have to say from what I feel in the car, it sound like it isnt lined up correctly and I have to pull through it hard. Sounds like I have a "tight shaft". I will have to tell the wife
Temp also seems to be a contributor. I have about 19k miles on the car with the original fluid and about 12k miles of that is with the SC. Probably a good time to change it out.
I will try all that and see what happens.
I will bookmark your site for any trans needs I have. Appreciate the input and it is nice to have a trans person around as that is one part of the car I know next to nothing about.
I have to say from what I feel in the car, it sound like it isnt lined up correctly and I have to pull through it hard. Sounds like I have a "tight shaft". I will have to tell the wife
Temp also seems to be a contributor. I have about 19k miles on the car with the original fluid and about 12k miles of that is with the SC. Probably a good time to change it out.
I will try all that and see what happens.
I will bookmark your site for any trans needs I have. Appreciate the input and it is nice to have a trans person around as that is one part of the car I know next to nothing about.
I had to edit the post because your joke just about flew by me. Funny stuff man, funny stuff.
Last edited by AmericanPowertrain; 12-10-2008 at 04:10 PM. Reason: Just got the joke
#30
Glenn, try the synchromax. It really does run much, much, much, much, much cooler than it did with the stock fluid. I drove around Gainesville all day and my hurst shifter never got hot. It used to burn my hand. I don't know if it will help your problem, but it can't hurt.
Here's RP's reply to my email. I don't think I put in 3.8 quarts. I filled it to 1/2 inch or 1 inch below the fill hole like the manual states.
Paul,
Yes, the RP Synchromax is the recommended fluid for the Mustang manual transmission.
TR 3650 takes 3.8 quarts.
The XT-2-QDS is the Ford synthetic Mercon factory fluid. We recommend using our Synchromax in place of this instead of the Mercon for manual transmissions.
Here's RP's reply to my email. I don't think I put in 3.8 quarts. I filled it to 1/2 inch or 1 inch below the fill hole like the manual states.
Paul,
Yes, the RP Synchromax is the recommended fluid for the Mustang manual transmission.
TR 3650 takes 3.8 quarts.
The XT-2-QDS is the Ford synthetic Mercon factory fluid. We recommend using our Synchromax in place of this instead of the Mercon for manual transmissions.