1990mustanggt

I don't have a clutch. I have a C4 automatic.

1990mustanggt

Do I still need a block plate for an auto? The engine started and ran fine the last time I ran without a blockplate. I mean the thing is about as thick as a quarter. Plus the 1965 starter is huge. It will not fit past my headders.

Twister

yes, you should have it, and use it as a spacer...you did not say ANYTHING about a C4, so, yes, you need a C4 starter

1990mustanggt

The C4 starter mounting bolts looked the same as the 1990 AOD starter. The only thing different was that the motor itself was almost twice as big. It wont fit between my hedders and the oil pan. Besides, the starter worked fine when I had the 50 oz flywheel on there.

Tims 88GT

yes he did say something about the C4, but I did not remember that a C4 has the bell housing made onto the body of the trans. now when you look at the flywheel if you can, can you see how the teeth are meshing? is it riding on only a 1/4 to 1/2 of the teeth? like the starter is not going back far enough? or is it not going inward far enough to get the teeth to mesh together?

Tims 88GT

ok im lil lost here did you have the block plate on when the 50oz was on?

1990mustanggt

It's not going inward toward the motor close enough. It reaches far enough into the hole to connect. It just spins on the teeth. It will connect and turn the flywheel sometimes, but it is only for about a half a turn.

1990mustanggt

No. I had the trans bolted straight to the block. At the time I didn't have a plate for the C4.

Twister

that plate is not only a spacer, but it is there to protect the flywheel and torque convertor...talk to a local rebuilder and see if he can relocate the gear on the bendex shaft

1990mustanggt

I don't know if they can relocate it or not, but they did replace it with a bigger gear. It didn't help. If I force it closer to the flyweel it will either break the mounting plate or cause the gear to hang on the flywheel. I have never seen anything like this.