Need help, narrowed down to 2 cams
ORIGINAL: Joel5.0
For example......... a stock 302/302 SBF setup, untouched GT40 heads (aside a stud rockers conversion), EFI setup with a Rev Extender as the only addition to the ECM, CI cam, totally driveable and used daily...... performing 11.19 @119 mph in the 1320', 100% N/A, after 15,500 miles on the odometer in a year, and revving it to 8,000 rpms..... even though it only made 305RWHP/317RWTQ.
ORIGINAL: mjr46
^^^^^^that's all fine and dandy..but I often wonder..how much more benifit is that??? is it really like a seat of the pants feel difference?? or is it splitting peas for and extra 10-15 hp??.....cause I've know people with custom cams that haven't performed any better or worse than a ots cam with nearly similar builds...anyway just curious...........oh and flcracker sorry about never replying..just reread the thread now..but looks like you made a good choice..joel5.0 is a good man and great advice giver!!
^^^^^^that's all fine and dandy..but I often wonder..how much more benifit is that??? is it really like a seat of the pants feel difference?? or is it splitting peas for and extra 10-15 hp??.....cause I've know people with custom cams that haven't performed any better or worse than a ots cam with nearly similar builds...anyway just curious...........oh and flcracker sorry about never replying..just reread the thread now..but looks like you made a good choice..joel5.0 is a good man and great advice giver!!
ORIGINAL: Joel5.0
It's not just a power issue, it will all depend on the actual goals of the user...... and a lot of them also require driveability from a setup. Also, keep in mind that the cam is just one piece of the puzzle, if you don't set the rest of the pieces to work together, it won't matter what cam you install, use the wrong valve train setup....and it will not perform + it's not a peak HP game...... it's an increase of the average HP across the "working" RPM's range that matters, and how fast you get there (=acceleration)..... this is why you could also see setups with less HP ratings winning over higher HP setups.
For example......... a stock 302/302 SBF setup, untouched GT40 heads (aside a stud rockers conversion), EFI setup with a Rev Extender as the only addition to the ECM, CI cam, totally driveable and used daily...... performing 11.19 @119 mph in the 1320', 100% N/A, after 15,500 miles on the odometer in a year, and revving it to 8,000 rpms..... even though it only made 305RWHP/317RWTQ.
ORIGINAL: mjr46
^^^^^^that's all fine and dandy..but I often wonder..how much more benifit is that??? is it really like a seat of the pants feel difference?? or is it splitting peas for and extra 10-15 hp??.....cause I've know people with custom cams that haven't performed any better or worse than a ots cam with nearly similar builds...anyway just curious...........oh and flcracker sorry about never replying..just reread the thread now..but looks like you made a good choice..joel5.0 is a good man and great advice giver!!
^^^^^^that's all fine and dandy..but I often wonder..how much more benifit is that??? is it really like a seat of the pants feel difference?? or is it splitting peas for and extra 10-15 hp??.....cause I've know people with custom cams that haven't performed any better or worse than a ots cam with nearly similar builds...anyway just curious...........oh and flcracker sorry about never replying..just reread the thread now..but looks like you made a good choice..joel5.0 is a good man and great advice giver!!
For example......... a stock 302/302 SBF setup, untouched GT40 heads (aside a stud rockers conversion), EFI setup with a Rev Extender as the only addition to the ECM, CI cam, totally driveable and used daily...... performing 11.19 @119 mph in the 1320', 100% N/A, after 15,500 miles on the odometer in a year, and revving it to 8,000 rpms..... even though it only made 305RWHP/317RWTQ.
ORIGINAL: Jasperstang308
joel can you shed some light on this one....?
ORIGINAL: Jasperstang308
8k with gt40's?
will they even flow enough that high? or is that a dumb question?
8k with gt40's?
will they even flow enough that high? or is that a dumb question?
i understand that but was under the impression that the head itself would hold it back. basically it would lose power as it was revving that high. i saw that in the link for red death that there was a "simple valve job" did that help with the extra rpm? if thats the case could i take my simple gt40p's bolt them on have jay do me a cam with the right springs and valve train. put it together then rev the **** out of mine as well?
does RPM equal more power as well?
does RPM equal more power as well?
ORIGINAL: Jasperstang308
i understand that but was under the impression that the head itself would hold it back. basically it would lose power as it was revving that high. i saw that in the link for red death that there was a "simple valve job" did that help with the extra rpm? if thats the case could i take my simple gt40p's bolt them on have jay do me a cam with the right springs and valve train. put it together then rev the **** out of mine as well?
does RPM equal more power as well?
i understand that but was under the impression that the head itself would hold it back. basically it would lose power as it was revving that high. i saw that in the link for red death that there was a "simple valve job" did that help with the extra rpm? if thats the case could i take my simple gt40p's bolt them on have jay do me a cam with the right springs and valve train. put it together then rev the **** out of mine as well?
does RPM equal more power as well?
I cannot see those heads being the best option for that combo. Just me thinking out loud. I would think with that combo at 8,000 the engine would go totally flat, in fact at about 7,000 it should start to die.
That's just me though.
Well, my new custom cam has been ordered and paid for. The only advice I have for going custom is, it cost money to do it right!. Jay at CI was able to convince me that without the matching springs, the cam won't perform to it'sfull potential. I was under the impression that since my TW heads were new, that the springs would be sufficient (TF says they're good to 540 lift?). Jayconvinced me that in order to be competetive,most head manufactures skimp on things like the valve springs, retainer & locks. He advised me that the factory springs on my TwistedWedge heads were not up to the task for the cam he was building, so another $179 formatching springs, and $40 for new spring cups, andmy valve train will be up to the task. I'll keep you posted on the specs once I get them. It sure would be more justifiable if I was building a new 347 instead of the stock block 302?. Looks like when it blows, I'll be building a 306 so I can use these same parts.


