5.0 Coyote Cylinder Walls
12-12-2010, 07:12 PM
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5.0 Coyote Cylinder Walls
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2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Coyote Engine - 5.0 Mustang & Fast Fords
Everything you want to know about the 5.0 plus some......this engine is designed to be turbo charged or supercharged. This thing is plenty beefy for HP bolt-ons. The 4.6 3V or 5.4 can't compete with this engine. The only problem with it.....is that it's a compact motor and punching it out may not be that easy as it was in the past.
The other thing I noticed is that this is a aluminum motor that doesn't have steel cylinder sleeves.....the cylinders are plasma coated. Not sure on this technology application for car engines. I happen to be very knowledgeable in the plasma process(s)......I worked for a major Jet engine manufacturer within the plasma process.....we use this technology on wear areas of the rotating sections of engine. The wear areas are meant to wear out so that area can be refurbished (rebuilt) to be built up with plasma (again) and reused as good as new. You basically spray a coating or multiple coatings onto the surface / diffuse then machine grind / hone to the dimension. Another plasma process is to plasma spray thru vapor deposition.....charge the area positive and the coating particles attach as though it was being magnetized to the parent material then the same processes diffuse and machine....depends on how many coatings bond and top coats (in a nut shell). It's an interesting process. It works well for bearing / wear areas on turbine engines, but I never seen detonation (spark) on the plasma coated surfaces......I'm sure they went the distance on testing this process under detonation. Interesting to see how an engine rebuild or boreout will be applied to the new cylinders wall? I'm sure they must have tested this....I can't find any information concerning cylinder dimension of the plasma application. If anyone finds anything please attach link......Bottom line is a steel cylinder sleeve better than the plasma sprayed cylinder sleeve?
2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 Coyote Engine - 5.0 Mustang & Fast Fords
Everything you want to know about the 5.0 plus some......this engine is designed to be turbo charged or supercharged. This thing is plenty beefy for HP bolt-ons. The 4.6 3V or 5.4 can't compete with this engine. The only problem with it.....is that it's a compact motor and punching it out may not be that easy as it was in the past.
The other thing I noticed is that this is a aluminum motor that doesn't have steel cylinder sleeves.....the cylinders are plasma coated. Not sure on this technology application for car engines. I happen to be very knowledgeable in the plasma process(s)......I worked for a major Jet engine manufacturer within the plasma process.....we use this technology on wear areas of the rotating sections of engine. The wear areas are meant to wear out so that area can be refurbished (rebuilt) to be built up with plasma (again) and reused as good as new. You basically spray a coating or multiple coatings onto the surface / diffuse then machine grind / hone to the dimension. Another plasma process is to plasma spray thru vapor deposition.....charge the area positive and the coating particles attach as though it was being magnetized to the parent material then the same processes diffuse and machine....depends on how many coatings bond and top coats (in a nut shell). It's an interesting process. It works well for bearing / wear areas on turbine engines, but I never seen detonation (spark) on the plasma coated surfaces......I'm sure they went the distance on testing this process under detonation. Interesting to see how an engine rebuild or boreout will be applied to the new cylinders wall? I'm sure they must have tested this....I can't find any information concerning cylinder dimension of the plasma application. If anyone finds anything please attach link......Bottom line is a steel cylinder sleeve better than the plasma sprayed cylinder sleeve?
12-12-2010, 09:16 PM
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I just started to study the 2011 mustang models. I'm in the process of learning the intricacies of the 5.0. I might of mixed up the cylinder specs between the 5.0 and 5.4...oopps. All well...part of the learning curve. I didn't know the blocks were disposable...learn something new everyday. I found it interesting that plasma was being used in the cylinders....being a PW plasma guy. I would love to know the plasma materials being used?
I'm just getting back into modifying cars again.....it's been a few years.....I like to know what I'm getting into. I've been reviewing/learning about the 5.0 for the past few days. I would modify the 08 I have, but I had it for 3 years.....and now that the 5.0 is out....there's so much more to work with in this application.
I'm just getting back into modifying cars again.....it's been a few years.....I like to know what I'm getting into. I've been reviewing/learning about the 5.0 for the past few days. I would modify the 08 I have, but I had it for 3 years.....and now that the 5.0 is out....there's so much more to work with in this application.
12-12-2010, 09:44 PM
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Just found it.....Ford uses a process named Plasma Transferred Wire Arc to spray a thin coating of iron on the inside of the cylinder bores. The process, adapted from the aerospace industry
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/2010...#ixzz17xVMOTB5
What that basically is wire spray......there is a plasma gun running off hydrogen and argon or acetylene .....the wire is spooled and charged through a normal welder into the head of the plasma gun which is ignited to about 3000 degrees and melts the iron wire and sprays it onto the cylinder surface......The most you could safely build wire plasma up to is about 15 thousandths and then after machining how much is remaining and when diffusing/bonding iron to aluminum this could be cumbersome.....there may be an intermediate bond coat between the aluminum and iron coating......which typically could go as much as 30 thousandths. I would be wary of the longevity of this!!!! I'm sure Ford knows....through testing. I would prefer the cast iron sleeves.....what's a 8lb saving?
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/2010...#ixzz17xVMOTB5
What that basically is wire spray......there is a plasma gun running off hydrogen and argon or acetylene .....the wire is spooled and charged through a normal welder into the head of the plasma gun which is ignited to about 3000 degrees and melts the iron wire and sprays it onto the cylinder surface......The most you could safely build wire plasma up to is about 15 thousandths and then after machining how much is remaining and when diffusing/bonding iron to aluminum this could be cumbersome.....there may be an intermediate bond coat between the aluminum and iron coating......which typically could go as much as 30 thousandths. I would be wary of the longevity of this!!!! I'm sure Ford knows....through testing. I would prefer the cast iron sleeves.....what's a 8lb saving?
12-12-2010, 11:59 PM
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12-13-2010, 02:28 PM
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5.0 Tech Specs
5.0 4V TiVCT V-8
First Model Year 2011
Engine Family Modular
Code Name Coyote
Displacement 4957cc (302 ci)
Bore x Stroke 92.2 x 92.8mm (3.263 x 3.647 inch)
Horsepower
412 hp @ 6,500 rpm, 91 octane
402 hp @ 6,500 rpm, 87 octane
Torque
390 lb-ft @ 4,250 rpm, 91 octane
377 lb-ft @ 4,250 rpm, 87 octane
Shipping Weight 430 pounds, includes water pump
Block Low-pressure cast 319 aluminum, pressed-in thin-wall iron liners
Bore Spacing 100mm (3.937-inch)
Deck Height 227mm (8.937-inch)
Deck Thickness 13mm (0.510-inch)
Cylinder Head Retention 12mm bolts, 4 per cylinder, 10 bolts total per bank
Oil 5W/20 weight, mineral
Oil Pan Stamped steel, 8 quarts
Windage Tray Integral w/oil pan gasket
Oil Pump Gerotor
Pistons Hypereutectic, short-skirt, flat-top w/four equal valve reliefs; moly friction-reducing coating; oil-jet cooled
Piston weight 500 grams
Piston Pin Full-floating, 22mm diameter
Piston Pin Retention Wire lock
Piston Rings 1.2 x 1.2 x 2.5 mm, moly top ring
Connecting Rod Powered metal forging, I-beam, no balance pad
Connecting Rod Length 150.7mm (5.933-inch)
Rod/Stroke Ratio 1.62
Crankshaft Forged steel, fully counterweighted, induction hardened
Main Journal 67.5mm (2.652-inch) diameter
Rod Journal 53.0mm (2.082-inch) diameter
Flywheel Retention Eight-bolt
Cylinder Heads Aluminum, four-valve per cylinder
Head Bolts 12mm, four per cylinder
Valve Covers Composite
Compression ratio 11.0:1
Valves 37 x 31mm (1.454 x 1.218-inch), four per cylinder
Camshafts DOHC, four camshafts, independently adjustable timing
Camshaft Timing Twin independent variable
Duration 260 degrees intake, 263 degrees exhaust
Lift 12mm (0.472-inch) intake, 11mm (0.432-inch) exhaust
Lift Limit 13mm (0.510-inch) physical limit in head
Valve Followers Roller-finger follower
Lash Adjusters Hydraulic
Coolant Organic (red)
Exhaust Manifold Short-tube, S44100 stainless-steel Tri-Y tubular headers; 10mm mounting studs w/prevailing torque nuts
Intake Manifold Constant cross section, long-runner single-plane (single-scroll); molded composite w/upper section colored; front throttle body mount
Throttle Body Single-blade, 80mm, e-throttle
Engine Management Software Copperhead
Mass Air Meter 86mm, digital
Oxygen Sensors Universal Exhaust Gas
Knock Sensors Two, in block valley
Ignition Timing Crank trigger, rear of crankshaft
Ignition Coil-on plug
Spark Plug NGK Iridium
Firing Order 1 5 4 8 6 3 7 2
Cylinder Numbering
Right bank: 1, 2, 3, 4
Left bank: 5, 6, 7, 8
Fuel System Port fuel injection, returnless
Fuel Injectors 32.8-lb/hr
Fuel Pressure 55 psi
Fuel Requirement 87 octane minimum, 91 octane best/rated power
12-13-2010, 06:22 PM
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If you only save 8 lbf, I too would prefer to have the pressed in sleeves. It just ain't worth that small of a weight savings.
I know some guys who are more that 8 lbf lighter after they camp out in the restroom sitting on the porcelain!
Sadly, I have to say I know some women who are just like that too!
I know some guys who are more that 8 lbf lighter after they camp out in the restroom sitting on the porcelain!
Sadly, I have to say I know some women who are just like that too!