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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 02:16 AM
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Ok so heres the question of all questions what size? 10" or 12"?

Heres what im dealing with eather 2 10w6v2 or 2 12w6v2.
Im not sure which would fit better and sound better in my 02 Coupe
Theres only 2 things I have found diffrent between the two
1. Size
2. Price

Also what would be a average rating amp to push these with? there combined RMS is 800Watts and there 4 ohms
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 02:55 AM
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What type of music do u listen to? I had to have a custom box built for my 2 12's so keep that in mind. With subs that powerful I'd probably have done 10's if I could do it again. I prefer tight punchy accurate bass not necessarily boomy bass. What do you mean by average rating amp?
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 03:13 AM
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I mostly listen to Rap, Hip-Hop or Classical. By average I mean the amps overal score out of 10. I dont want to pay JL's prices but I dont want SoundStreams quaility. See what im sayin?
So you think 10's would be better? Iv always been told the more air the better, not sure if thats true or not.
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12's would be better for a louder setup but since they are W6s I don't think that'll be a huge problem. I'm running two Memphis M1s and they are more than loud enough I have to turn them down after a few minutes. For space and getting a perfect size box I'd go 10's. 10s are also a little more accurate. For amps I'd consider, Arc Audio, Memphis, eD. Not extremely well known names but don't let that fool you.
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:07 AM
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12's would be better for a louder setup but since they are W6s I don't think that'll be a huge problem. I'm running two Memphis M1s and they are more than loud enough I have to turn them down after a few minutes. For space and getting a perfect size box I'd go 10's. 10s are also a little more accurate. For amps I'd consider, Arc Audio, Memphis, eD. Not extremely well known names but don't let that fool you.
10's are not more accurate then 12's. The accuracy of the woofer is determined by the manufactering process and the installation of the woofer, ie box size. Given the recommended sealed enclosure and the same RMS power, I would run 12's over 10's becuase they move more air. Also, becuase the air moving piston is larger they can producelower frequencies then a smaller diameter woofer.

What is the budget for the amp.Profile is a cheap brand that will put out its rated power. The amp recomendation depends of the woofers you choose, the enclosure size, and budget. If you are looking for an "accurate" sound by placing the sub ina small sealed box, smaller then recommended, I would suggest giving thewoofer more then RMS power in order to compensate forthe higher forces holding the sub in place.
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Model for model in both of their optimal box sizes and power rating a 10 will be more accurate. But of course the 12s in mine sound louder than 2 10s. Also I haven't come across any boxes for 12s that just slide in the Mustang trunk. Seen quite a few 10s though.

Ampwise I say spend a little more money on something better. No offense but Profile doesn't really scream quality. And trust me if you look you can find better amps for not much more.
Old Apr 9, 2007 | 11:23 PM
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for the box im thinking as tall as possible and aslongas possible. width on the other hand im not sure i wanna say have it come to the edges of the gay *** humps in the carpet. room really isnt much of a problem in the car so im not trippen over it. Price for a amp, well I cant really say there is no price because im not special like that. But I want it done right the first time. my boss says that a JL 1000/1 will drive the subs with ease and he also says that JL under-rates there subs watt handling capabilities.
"My boss has 3 12 SW91 series Eclipse's in his Intreped and there run by a Eclipse and Diamond amp."
not sure y I just told yall that but ya.

$600 for amp
Old Apr 10, 2007 | 01:01 AM
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Model for model in both of their optimal box sizes and power rating a 10 will be more accurate. But of course the 12s in mine sound louder than 2 10s. Also I haven't come across any boxes for 12s that just slide in the Mustang trunk. Seen quite a few 10s though.

Ampwise I say spend a little more money on something better. No offense but Profile doesn't really scream quality. And trust me if you look you can find better amps for not much more.
Youare completely wrong. What science are you using to come up with the incorrect statement that the two sizes of subs will have different sound. My 12 for instance in more "accurate" then even a set of 8's I have. A speaker is merely a piston that moves air at a given frequency. If the box is built to spec there is a certain "backpressure" on the woofer. Following Newton's seond law the enclosure will create a force on the cone of the woofer pulling it back into the enclosure.For a 10 or 12 in the recommend enclosures (with the same backpressure) and operating conditions, there will be no difference in the accuracy of the two woofers. The force from the box of the 12 would couter act that of the woofer with the force required to bring the woofer back to refernce point. If a 10 was given the same conditions it would move with the force required to bring it back to reference.

Basically, all things being equal a 10,12,15,18 or any reasonable sized woofer will react in exactly the same way, creating the same frequency and the same accuracy. I assumed a rigid cone, but with high quality woofers that assumption would be correct, otherwise it would deflect greatly from the forces of the magnetic reaction causing the speaker to move outwards and the opposition force moving it back inwards.

If you are "coming across" boxes that means you are buying prefab, that is the cause of you lack of "accuracy" from a 12.

Now that your learned on that... subject 2.

Profile amps are very reliable, and contrary to many bargain basement brands put out thier rated power. Have you ever own a profile? Probilbly not, i own two along with my diamond audio, fultron and concept amps. They are stout for the price and if you do have a problem the warranty service is great. I received emial corrspondence from an American, and I beleive he was also the tech that repaired my amp. Overall, my impression of profile is stellar from a low budget standpoint, and you will find other knowledgalbe people with more then likely share the same opinion.

Please do as much homework and reading you can before you give people advise. You can cause them to make uneducated decisions. It seems as though you are somewhat knowledgeable, so please stick around and give advice where you do have expertise.

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for the box im thinking as tall as possible and aslongas possible. width on the other hand im not sure i wanna say have it come to the edges of the gay *** humps in the carpet. room really isnt much of a problem in the car so im not trippen over it. Price for a amp, well I cant really say there is no price because im not special like that. But I want it done right the first time. my boss says that a JL 1000/1 will drive the subs with ease and he also says that JL under-rates there subs watt handling capabilities.
"My boss has 3 12 SW91 series Eclipse's in his Intreped and there run by a Eclipse and Diamond amp."
not sure y I just told yall that but ya.

$600 for amp
I really dislike JL amps becuase they are designed to run specifically wth thier woofers. There coltage/ current regulation does not allow for the benefits most amps see with a lower resistance from the speaker.

JL builds very nice subs and amps, their subs are great, but extremely overpriced.

I would recommend something by diamond to power the subs. A D5 or D6 1000.1 would be a great fit.
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Model for model in both of their optimal box sizes and power rating a 10 will be more accurate. But of course the 12s in mine sound louder than 2 10s. Also I haven't come across any boxes for 12s that just slide in the Mustang trunk. Seen quite a few 10s though.

Ampwise I say spend a little more money on something better. No offense but Profile doesn't really scream quality. And trust me if you look you can find better amps for not much more.
You are completely wrong. What science are you using to come up with the incorrect statement that the two sizes of subs will have different sound. My 12 for instance in more "accurate" then even a set of 8's I have. A speaker is merely a piston that moves air at a given frequency. If the box is built to spec there is a certain "backpressure" on the woofer. Following Newton's seond law the enclosure will create a force on the cone of the woofer pulling it back into the enclosure. For a 10 or 12 in the recommend enclosures (with the same backpressure) and operating conditions, there will be no difference in the accuracy of the two woofers. The force from the box of the 12 would couter act that of the woofer with the force required to bring the woofer back to refernce point. If a 10 was given the same conditions it would move with the force required to bring it back to reference.

Basically, all things being equal a 10,12,15,18 or any reasonable sized woofer will react in exactly the same way, creating the same frequency and the same accuracy. I assumed a rigid cone, but with high quality woofers that assumption would be correct, otherwise it would deflect greatly from the forces of the magnetic reaction causing the speaker to move outwards and the opposition force moving it back inwards.

If you are "coming across" boxes that means you are buying prefab, that is the cause of you lack of "accuracy" from a 12.

Now that your learned on that... subject 2.

Profile amps are very reliable, and contrary to many bargain basement brands put out thier rated power. Have you ever own a profile? Probilbly not, i own two along with my diamond audio, fultron and concept amps. They are stout for the price and if you do have a problem the warranty service is great. I received emial corrspondence from an American, and I beleive he was also the tech that repaired my amp. Overall, my impression of profile is stellar from a low budget standpoint, and you will find other knowledgalbe people with more then likely share the same opinion.

Please do as much homework and reading you can before you give people advise. You can cause them to make uneducated decisions. It seems as though you are somewhat knowledgeable, so please stick around and give advice where you do have expertise.

Just to let you know I wasn't meaning any offense to you personally. I've been installing for a few years and this is the theory I've always been taught. Sorry if I'm wrong. I have attempted pre-fab boxes and had much better fit and sound from a custom one. But most people I know just opt for pre-fab because they don't know the difference. I still think for a Mustang trunk 10s are perfect.

I haven't tried their amps but have installed multiple speakers and subs from them and have been far from impressed. If their amps are WAY better then there HAS to be another factory making them. Do they even make something that can handle alot of power?

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