Spec'ing new audio system for 07 GT
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IMO, an eq is usually a bandaid for a poor isntall and thats why I don't have an eq in any of my cars.....
I even have my HU set flat.
Those that are truely hardcore will get out a scope and a mic with a couple hundred band eq to make sure frequency response is flat, but I'm not quite that much into SQ yet.
IMO, an eq is usually a bandaid for a poor isntall and thats why I don't have an eq in any of my cars.....
I even have my HU set flat.
Those that are truely hardcore will get out a scope and a mic with a couple hundred band eq to make sure frequency response is flat, but I'm not quite that much into SQ yet.
You should really take a listen to a nicely tuned system, a good 30 band 1/3 octave eq can really bring a system alive. The eq is more of a bandaid for the VERY poor listening enviroment ofa car (very high noise floor, acustic gain, poor speaker placement, etc..).
Flat frequency response only sounds good to the RTA.
James
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IMHO
You should really take a listen to a nicely tuned system, a good 30 band 1/3 octave eq can really bring a system alive. The eq is more of a bandaid for the VERY poor listening enviroment ofa car (very high noise floor, acustic gain, poor speaker placement, etc..).
Flat frequency response only sounds good to the RTA.
James
ORIGINAL: PReal
IMO, an eq is usually a bandaid for a poor isntall and thats why I don't have an eq in any of my cars.....
I even have my HU set flat.
Those that are truely hardcore will get out a scope and a mic with a couple hundred band eq to make sure frequency response is flat, but I'm not quite that much into SQ yet.
IMO, an eq is usually a bandaid for a poor isntall and thats why I don't have an eq in any of my cars.....
I even have my HU set flat.
Those that are truely hardcore will get out a scope and a mic with a couple hundred band eq to make sure frequency response is flat, but I'm not quite that much into SQ yet.
You should really take a listen to a nicely tuned system, a good 30 band 1/3 octave eq can really bring a system alive. The eq is more of a bandaid for the VERY poor listening enviroment ofa car (very high noise floor, acustic gain, poor speaker placement, etc..).
Flat frequency response only sounds good to the RTA.
James
The problem really isn't even the listening environment, its the way music is currently recoreded. Peaky bass, harsh highs. A flat frequency response set with a mic, scope, etc, (what I mentioned above)will play music exactly how it is recorded. If you don't like the way that sounds, maybe you should call the producer of the CD's you're listening too before making an ignorant comment.
BTW, what type of steller SQ setup are you running?
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RE: Spec'ing new audio system for 07 GT
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James, you should rear line 3 begore you make judgemets about my hearing. I have considered buying a Audiocontrol EQ numberous times, but my system sounds GREAT! (I could use the upgrade to CDT's new gold line 6.5 or the new M6, but my HD's are just fine)
The problem really isn't even the listening environment, its the way music is currently recoreded. Peaky bass, harsh highs. A flat frequency response set with a mic, scope, etc, (what I mentioned above)will play music exactly how it is recorded. If you don't like the way that sounds, maybe you should call the producer of the CD's you're listening too before making an ignorant comment.
BTW, what type of steller SQ setup are you running?
James, you should rear line 3 begore you make judgemets about my hearing. I have considered buying a Audiocontrol EQ numberous times, but my system sounds GREAT! (I could use the upgrade to CDT's new gold line 6.5 or the new M6, but my HD's are just fine)
The problem really isn't even the listening environment, its the way music is currently recoreded. Peaky bass, harsh highs. A flat frequency response set with a mic, scope, etc, (what I mentioned above)will play music exactly how it is recorded. If you don't like the way that sounds, maybe you should call the producer of the CD's you're listening too before making an ignorant comment.
BTW, what type of steller SQ setup are you running?
Let’s see, you posted
"IMO, an eq is usually a bandaid for a poor isntall"
Then
"Those that are truely hardcore will get out a scope and a mic with a couple hundred band eq to make sure frequency response is flat, but I'm not quite that much into SQ yet."
So, it appears that you are saying that eq's are for people that can't install.
Then, it appears that you acknowledge that big eq's are for people that are really into SQ but that you are not into it yet.
At this point I have no "judgments about your hearing"; I can't even tell what you believe.
I simply posted an opinionthat didn't agree with yours. Perhaps my post should have started "One should really take a listen to a nicely tuned system...” I had no intent of hurting you delicate sensibilities. I will try to tread more lightly around you in the future.
As to what type of stellar SQ setup I am running, I have not installed or competed in years.
The last street system I had consisted of
Eclipse CD8061 head unit
Audio Control EQX
Focal Utopia’s in fiberglass kick panels
Focal Utopia 6 inch mid-bass for rear fill
2 10 inch Eclipse aluminum subs (I know but we carried them)
McIntosh 4 channel 404
2 McIntosh mono amps 301’s
I am currently neither in the car audio business nor do I have a large system in my personal car. I got into car audio in ’88, started installing in ’90 and sold, installed, managed and competed in the car audio business for over 12 years. My views are FAR from ignorant.
Thank you,
James
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RE: Spec'ing new audio system for 07 GT
ORIGINAL: jbullerjr
Sir,
Let’s see, you posted
"IMO, an eq is usually a bandaid for a poor isntall"
Then
"Those that are truely hardcore will get out a scope and a mic with a couple hundred band eq to make sure frequency response is flat, but I'm not quite that much into SQ yet."
So, it appears that you are saying that eq's are for people that can't install.
Then, it appears that you acknowledge that big eq's are for people that are really into SQ but that you are not into it yet.
At this point I have no "judgments about your hearing"; I can't even tell what you believe.
I simply posted an opinionthat didn't agree with yours. Perhaps my post should have started "One should really take a listen to a nicely tuned system...” I had no intent of hurting you delicate sensibilities. I will try to tread more lightly around you in the future.
As to what type of stellar SQ setup I am running, I have not installed or competed in years.
The last street system I had consisted of
Eclipse CD8061 head unit
Audio Control EQX
Focal Utopia’s in fiberglass kick panels
Focal Utopia 6 inch mid-bass for rear fill
2 10 inch Eclipse aluminum subs (I know but we carried them)
McIntosh 4 channel 404
2 McIntosh mono amps 301’s
I am currently neither in the car audio business nor do I have a large system in my personal car. I got into car audio in ’88, started installing in ’90 and sold, installed, managed and competed in the car audio business for over 12 years. My views are FAR from ignorant.
Thank you,
James
ORIGINAL: PReal
James, you should rear line 3 begore you make judgemets about my hearing. I have considered buying a Audiocontrol EQ numberous times, but my system sounds GREAT! (I could use the upgrade to CDT's new gold line 6.5 or the new M6, but my HD's are just fine)
The problem really isn't even the listening environment, its the way music is currently recoreded. Peaky bass, harsh highs. A flat frequency response set with a mic, scope, etc, (what I mentioned above)will play music exactly how it is recorded. If you don't like the way that sounds, maybe you should call the producer of the CD's you're listening too before making an ignorant comment.
BTW, what type of steller SQ setup are you running?
James, you should rear line 3 begore you make judgemets about my hearing. I have considered buying a Audiocontrol EQ numberous times, but my system sounds GREAT! (I could use the upgrade to CDT's new gold line 6.5 or the new M6, but my HD's are just fine)
The problem really isn't even the listening environment, its the way music is currently recoreded. Peaky bass, harsh highs. A flat frequency response set with a mic, scope, etc, (what I mentioned above)will play music exactly how it is recorded. If you don't like the way that sounds, maybe you should call the producer of the CD's you're listening too before making an ignorant comment.
BTW, what type of steller SQ setup are you running?
Sir,
Let’s see, you posted
"IMO, an eq is usually a bandaid for a poor isntall"
Then
"Those that are truely hardcore will get out a scope and a mic with a couple hundred band eq to make sure frequency response is flat, but I'm not quite that much into SQ yet."
So, it appears that you are saying that eq's are for people that can't install.
Then, it appears that you acknowledge that big eq's are for people that are really into SQ but that you are not into it yet.
At this point I have no "judgments about your hearing"; I can't even tell what you believe.
I simply posted an opinionthat didn't agree with yours. Perhaps my post should have started "One should really take a listen to a nicely tuned system...” I had no intent of hurting you delicate sensibilities. I will try to tread more lightly around you in the future.
As to what type of stellar SQ setup I am running, I have not installed or competed in years.
The last street system I had consisted of
Eclipse CD8061 head unit
Audio Control EQX
Focal Utopia’s in fiberglass kick panels
Focal Utopia 6 inch mid-bass for rear fill
2 10 inch Eclipse aluminum subs (I know but we carried them)
McIntosh 4 channel 404
2 McIntosh mono amps 301’s
I am currently neither in the car audio business nor do I have a large system in my personal car. I got into car audio in ’88, started installing in ’90 and sold, installed, managed and competed in the car audio business for over 12 years. My views are FAR from ignorant.
Thank you,
James
My statment is two sided. I should have added alittleclarity. Something you rarely have to provide on this forum becuase 99% of the people herejust want bass. It is great to see another person on the forum that actually has experience in car audio. Excuse my rudeness in my post yesterday, I had just got done working on the car for around 10 hours and was in a pissy mood. I mistook you post as attack of ignorance. (We tend to get a lot of kids on this site that think that alpine type R isthe best sub in the universe and that 6x9's in the backarefor supereb sq.
Clarity,
In my experience people usually add an eq to poorly installed, poorly deadened systems to compensate for their cancellation and vibration issues. As previosuly stated, I have considered buying an eqx, but my stereo sounds great as is. I would much rather see people spend money on deading and a proper install to get the most out of thierspeakers and then add an eq later if they haveany areas of concern.EQ's withlittle adjustabliltyhave little place in desisnging a nice stereo, a nice unit, such an eqx,can aid ingetting great frequency response. So my statement is basically, if your going to invest in a eq, get a nice unit andmake sure your equipment is properly installed and tuned.
BTW,
That old system was very very nice. McIntosh is something most of us dream of and never get to use.
It is rare to see someone that has proper rear fill (low passed), if they have it. ( I usually try to get the new guys to invest in a better quality front stage first)
Don't hate on the eclipse aluminum cones, I'm still using an old SW8122DVC, but it sounds great in a tiny sealed enclosure.
Was that eclispe unit the dead head? I have a CD5443 in my DD and another 5XXX series in my wifes car. (The new onehave a little too much bling, but they still are a good SQ HU)
Once agian, sorry for the rudeness last night. I was a little quickwith my response thinking it was another high school kid that thought he knew everything becuausehis friend works at best buy.
Parker
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RE: Spec'ing new audio system for 07 GT
ORIGINAL: PReal
Welcome to the forum......
My statment is two sided. I should have added alittleclarity. Something you rarely have to provide on this forum becuase 99% of the people herejust want bass. It is great to see another person on the forum that actually has experience in car audio. Excuse my rudeness in my post yesterday, I had just got done working on the car for around 10 hours and was in a pissy mood. I mistook you post as attack of ignorance. (We tend to get a lot of kids on this site that think that alpine type R isthe best sub in the universe and that 6x9's in the backarefor supereb sq.
Clarity,
In my experience people usually add an eq to poorly installed, poorly deadened systems to compensate for their cancellation and vibration issues. As previosuly stated, I have considered buying an eqx, but my stereo sounds great as is. I would much rather see people spend money on deading and a proper install to get the most out of thierspeakers and then add an eq later if they haveany areas of concern.EQ's withlittle adjustabliltyhave little place in desisnging a nice stereo, a nice unit, such an eqx,can aid ingetting great frequency response. So my statement is basically, if your going to invest in a eq, get a nice unit andmake sure your equipment is properly installed and tuned.
BTW,
That old system was very very nice. McIntosh is something most of us dream of and never get to use.
It is rare to see someone that has proper rear fill (low passed), if they have it. ( I usually try to get the new guys to invest in a better quality front stage first)
Don't hate on the eclipse aluminum cones, I'm still using an old SW8122DVC, but it sounds great in a tiny sealed enclosure.
Was that eclispe unit the dead head? I have a CD5443 in my DD and another 5XXX series in my wifes car. (The new onehave a little too much bling, but they still are a good SQ HU)
Once agian, sorry for the rudeness last night. I was a little quickwith my response thinking it was another high school kid that thought he knew everything becuausehis friend works at best buy.
Parker
Welcome to the forum......
My statment is two sided. I should have added alittleclarity. Something you rarely have to provide on this forum becuase 99% of the people herejust want bass. It is great to see another person on the forum that actually has experience in car audio. Excuse my rudeness in my post yesterday, I had just got done working on the car for around 10 hours and was in a pissy mood. I mistook you post as attack of ignorance. (We tend to get a lot of kids on this site that think that alpine type R isthe best sub in the universe and that 6x9's in the backarefor supereb sq.
Clarity,
In my experience people usually add an eq to poorly installed, poorly deadened systems to compensate for their cancellation and vibration issues. As previosuly stated, I have considered buying an eqx, but my stereo sounds great as is. I would much rather see people spend money on deading and a proper install to get the most out of thierspeakers and then add an eq later if they haveany areas of concern.EQ's withlittle adjustabliltyhave little place in desisnging a nice stereo, a nice unit, such an eqx,can aid ingetting great frequency response. So my statement is basically, if your going to invest in a eq, get a nice unit andmake sure your equipment is properly installed and tuned.
BTW,
That old system was very very nice. McIntosh is something most of us dream of and never get to use.
It is rare to see someone that has proper rear fill (low passed), if they have it. ( I usually try to get the new guys to invest in a better quality front stage first)
Don't hate on the eclipse aluminum cones, I'm still using an old SW8122DVC, but it sounds great in a tiny sealed enclosure.
Was that eclispe unit the dead head? I have a CD5443 in my DD and another 5XXX series in my wifes car. (The new onehave a little too much bling, but they still are a good SQ HU)
Once agian, sorry for the rudeness last night. I was a little quickwith my response thinking it was another high school kid that thought he knew everything becuausehis friend works at best buy.
Parker
Thank you sir, the olive branch of peace is accepted.
I certainly understand the frustration with a car. Why can’t they just get all that crap out of my way, you know engine, dash, airbags, steering wheel, etc… It would make our jobs sooooo much easier.
Fully agreed, an EQ can’t fix a poorly installed system or a poorly prepped car.
Yea, sometimes I miss that system. It does kind of get like a high-strung race car though; you start to hear something that might or might not be there, which of course leads to constant finger ****ing. Which of course means it always sounds worse/runs worse when you’re done.
The McIntosh amps were IMPRESSIVE. Honestly they should be a benchmark for any high-end amp.
Rear fill, I could go on for hours. So many customers wanted multiple pairs of AMPLIFIED speakers on the rear deck. Sure thing man, and when you go to the concert make sure you face away from the stage.
The Eclipse subs ended up not being bad, pretty good transition, at first I did not care for them, but they did sound better after time. I was coming off of RF Pros, always loved the paper cone. I did warm up to the Eclipses after awhile.
The Eclipse was a dead-head, VERY nice unit. High voltage, low impedance and nice sound. I agree with you, I don’t like the way the Eclipse head units have gone in the past few years. It is good to hear that they still sound great.
SHEEET, don b h8n on da BESBUY, does fulz is da shiznit. Day putz fo dimes n ma homeboyz boot, an dat **** do b BUMP’N!!! LOL
James
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RE: Spec'ing new audio system for 07 GT
7earitup, It sounded real good. To bad car wanted to act up. I am rebuilding right now in my mustang. I had a change of heart with the amps and sub and sold them. In there place ID Max12 and the Memphis Belle. Not the big Memphis but the small one. Just doing some revamping.