hello,
recently purchased 2013 mustang v6 with standard remote keyless entry. There is no audible alert with lock/unlock, only the lights flash. i know if you press the lock button twice, the horn will sound briefly confirming the vehicle is locked.

I would like to hook up a small piezo buzzer to the vehicle so that there is one beep for lock and two beeps for unlock when the remote is used. Don't want it very loud just quiet confirmation beeps. I believe Toyota/Lexus has something similar.

Has anyone done this before and have any ideas?

thank you for any help, Jon

 

I have never heard of a siren you can just add on but I might be wrong. You might be able to isolate the output of the factory alarm and send that to your own siren if you can figure out where that happens but never heard of it before. Honestly the stock alarms are useless after a theif learns how to get around one and I would recomend getting an aftermarket alarm that would do this for you already.

 

I'd read through your user manual, just flip though sections and notes when you get time (put next to the turd-can for "heavy reading"), for the older S197s you can disable the lights for locking/unlocking. So, it's possible this(chirping) is now able to be set as well in the newer models.

I assume you did not get the integrated factory alarm, yes? The factory PATS is quite sufficient deterrent wise IMO as it is based in the PCM, very few would know how to bypass this without a module already in place to do the secure handshake...
But if you want this, it isn't listed as something that is able to be set in the manual, then as ttocs states, get an after-market alarm install.

 

pats is not that hard to get around in reality. Again any stock alar/theft deterant m will not be hard to bypass since they are all the same.

 

How exactly? The PCM requires a secure handshake with the programmed transponder code to allow the vehicle to start/run. This is the same process as I understand it for the new edge and S197's, yes, but hardly easy to bypass unless you've done the work for them by putting in a bypass module. The flip-side is making sure you put in a decent alarm to far offset this handicapping of the PATS.

You have to use a VCM/IDS tool otherwise, which requires a 10min extra window even with it to allow this to be reset. The newer S197's(2010+'s) go a step further and put a secondary handshake requirement in the cluster, as well as PCM.

Short of putting in their own PCM to drive off with it(99-09's), them having a properly encoded key, or a simple bypass module that is left in the car to use as a key you can't simply get in it short/ground a few wires and drive off. The PCM disables injectors, fuel pump, etc otherwise. Which is not easily bypassed.

 

if the stock mustang security system was as good as you make it out to be then there would be far fewer thefts of them. Yes its there, and they are exactly the same as every other mustang. Yes you would need some hardware to do it but have you ever spent the 5 secs it takes to swap out an ignition lock? The theft modules are all bypassed the same, found in the same location, and have the exact same faults. As little as anyone pays attention to aftermarket alarms going off there is an even lower number that look to see what cars horn is honking. Little bit of reasearch and a some preperation and a thief could be gone before you know it.

 

There are very few drive away thefts with the PATS system in-tact. Really not much to stop a tow-truck from towing it off, but drive-off thefts from this are quite rare.

You can't simply yank the ignition out. The manufacturer keep them standardized, yes, but the codes are unique, not not able to be gleened by CAN-BUS monitoring as it's a challenge.

You make it seem like the PATS system makes the car vulnerable, the modern transponder based ones are in fact quite effective. Driving off with the car in a short amount of time is not the only means to steal a car however.

Show me any data about this, and I'll roll with it, but electronically, the recent systems are a damn good deterrent, and full-stop to drive-away theft. Now, breaking into and stealing things is another matter, which this does nothing for.

 

I beg to differ, and I beg to differ. You do literally pull the ignition lock out of the car after pushing the release button on the bottom of the colum, swapped mine out in the parking lot of vatozone with a small phillips head screw driver. Now I know yer gonna say "but you have to have the key!!!!" - you can bring a universal-key, AKA - a slide hammer and it would take even less time.

No no no I am not saying it is more vulnerable because of pats I am saying it is vulnerable just because once a thief learns how to get around one car, he has a golden ticket as all the others are the same. The days of simply tapping the orange-yellow-purple-and red to crank on a GM yes are long gone but lets not act like transponder technology is something that new and that hard to crack. ID thefts of credit cards with those transponders has been happening for years - no reason to think it can't be hacked as well.

The modern theft system will scare off the dumb crack head theifs just as well as a flashing led(with no alarm) will do but that is about all they do. Just like you said ther is a way around everything so I am not sure why it is so hard to understand that a security system that is repeated on hundreds of thousands of cars a year would be suseptable simply because they are all the same.

 

Show me anything corroborating any of this. Any thefts I hear of for modern cars are from ones that have some kind of bypass installed, get towed off, or the more common of being taken due to a key that is already programmed being physically available.

Breaking/removing the 2x2 size ignition core that's sending signals to the PCM is akin to saying you can hack a DoD site simply because you have a computer and an internet connection.

I'm sure a few have the expertise to interface properly to glean what they would need, and have something built to facilitate brute forcing from a set pattern determined by VIN # or the like, but the number is extremely small.
Cloning a transponder key is easy with physical access, but we're talking about getting drivable access from no physically accessible keys at the time or before.

Going with this logic, then most of the brands of after-market systems you install are in the same league. The components, and programming is not varied much year to year, and is quite uniform for each manufacturer across their similar products to cut costs.

Actually for FORD, they doubled it to 80bit for 2011+. http://www.locksmithledger.com/artic...cksmithing-etc

 

good, you agree now that it can happen, that is all I am sayin.... well yes you are right that you would need to do more then just get past the ignition lock, but with that taking 5 secs it is not hard to do and you are on to step 2(good example with the DOD as a computer and an internet connection would probably be the first step there too and also take 5 secs). You made it out so sound as though it was a complete impossability and just could never happen. I am not going to sort through theft data in hopes they list the style of the theft to show it can happen. If you want instructions on how, well:
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...op-ar8250.html

Yes I know he has some fancy tools like a laptop and probably a program he had to download, crazy to think any theif would have access to such high-tech abilities but it could happen.

Passive transponders can be copied with out EVER having touched your credit card or the key. All they have to do is be near you:
Now copy the transponders, and bring yer universal key with you and what do you have?

again figure one out and yer done you can now pic any mustang. I would gladly put my 94 gt mustang with the pro-model alarm I personally installed going up next to any modern mustang with the stock unit and be happy to find it when I get back. I have not yet heard of a system that will read/copy the code-hopping systems that any modern alarm uses like I have heard people going around stock systems. Sure get in and cut power on most and its quiet but a simple back up battery on a good alarm is a must and in my car as well.