myshifter

My dad worked for fords drag racing program from 65 to 78, we got alot of bob gliddens old pro stock equipment for testing, he was a cleveland guy, I was a youngin back then but grew up on clevelands, we would spin them to 9k to make 750 hp. The engines are dinosaurs and are becoming rapidly extinct. I been around the block many times with clevelands, please. They are nothing special and the winsor is by far a better design. Let's not talk about the cleveland oiling problems while were on the subject

rmodel65

just have to add restritors and an external line!

6mustang6

I dont understand why peoplea are trashing Clevelands. They make massive power compared to windsors. Me and most other people on here would pick a cleveland if put to the test. they make power to easy.

myshifter

cause in 5-10 years they will be extinct, like I said you need to seriously scour for a useable block core to begin with. They will literally be extinct. Winsor is a much superior design

rmodel65

they just stopped making cleve in aussie country!! plenty of block for years to come if it was extinct why would edelbrock start making new heads for them?? the heads are awesome to begin with that why they just started making them!!u still apparently havent looked at the aus ford site??

rmodel65

heres the sound of a healthy cleve http://videos.streetfire.net/video/D0C79348-3BD3-47EF-AB65-10A48F9972E3.htmve!

67Rally

I love Clevelands too. There's no convincing some folks.

rmodel65

go watch that vid its of a 65 fastabck it sounds pretty sick i plan on puttin the cleve from my old 72 in my 65 and inject it with a with a t56 from a viper so i can have the .50 sixth gear ratio and runn some steep gears in the rear and it still be driveable!

daver

I think for mainly street performance on a budget the the cleve is the way to go, the heads are awesome stock and even if the bottom ends in them arent so $hit hot, street use wouldnt tear them up too quick. However, if you were willing to spend the money on the heads for the windsor, you can make mad power, and the bottom ends are pretty stout to begin with. Really it comes down to personal preference since each engine has one major downfall and is pretty costly to fix. Cleves have the bad bottom and W's have the crappy heads. So it doesnt really matter if you have the money which one you go with.

SuperHoss

Given the vast aftermarket of the 302 and 351W, these would be your best choices as far as engines for your car. The 302 fits better in a 64.5-66 but the 351 will require special headers or manifolds to clear the shock towers.

The 351C has potential to be just as powerful as a 351W, originally the 351Cs main restricton was the added weight of the valve-train (not a big issue anymore). The 351W was kept until the 90s and the Cleveland was dropped in the 70s, that is the reason for the big aftermarket for the Windsor (more 351Ws were made). I have found places that will cast 351C blocks, new and improved(ending the core-shift problem), but few and far between; whereas people casting the 351W are numerous(due to the large demand of 351Ws). The demand for the 351C doesn't warrant a large aftermarket, so a small one is in place The old FEs were thought to be gone so there was a small market, but low and behold, the demand increased and the market has started to expand(an example of demand and supply, increased demand means increased supply). If the demand for 351C increases, then the market will begin to grow and expand creating a rival to the 351W. Until a larger aftermarket for the 351C is made, its price will be high and production numbers will be low. Because it is easier to get 351W parts, the 351W is the better(and cheaper) way to go for now. I am a fan of the Cleveland, but I do not have the budget for one, so I stick to the Windsor.