like i said i need to get a cross bar to mount them an inch above - 4 inches below where my shoulders sit while im sitting in the car. just put them in any way i could to get my parents approval, i dont normally wear them now because they are up so high.

 

Like a Cross bar that goes across the car?

 

see the thing labeld harness mount tube? its just another tube that goes from one side of the roll bar to the other to mount your harnesses lower.

 

So to have the harnesses you have to have a rollbar installed in the car? Who sells Roll bars?

 

Pretty much. But to be safe you will need a roll bar/roll cage, harness, and a helmet. Driving around on the street with a helmet will be stupid so that pretty much rules out having a roll cage and a harness. Just having a harness is dangerous and only having a roll cage is dangerous. Combining them both is equally dangerous.

 

wait...what?
soo having only a cage, only a harness, or both is dangerous without a helmet?

 

Stupid driving is dangerous. A three point belt system is safer than just a lap belt. Four and five point systems need to be integrated with a roll bar, the seats and the car. If your seat comes 'un-glued', no harness in the world is going to protect you. If you get hit on the side, theroll bar with a four pointharness attached may cause you more injury than a three point or just a belt. Track racing is obviously different. Looking 'cool' can get you a less than honorable mention in the obituarys.
Jim

 

yes you use a harness bar i seen some you dont need a cage to use but i wouldnt trust them i have had 6 point cages in a few cars i use to drive daily only down side is if you hit your head on it in a wreck. they do sell a 6 point harness its like the 5 just the split the bottom strap so no busting the twins in a wreck

 

Yeah a cage is out of the question for my car especially since i am gonna finish painting the interrior today and would not want to mess up the paint. Which will bring me to my next question does anyone have 3 point seat belts and can you post pictures?

 

Here of pics of a 3 point shoulder belt system in a fastback.
http://www.karmustang.com/display_ga..._photo_gallery