67 front brake conversion question
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From: Mansfield, Texas
RE: 67 front brake conversion question
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Dennis, who is the owner of discbrakeswap.com includes everything you need in his kit so you won't need to go to the store for anything. You will need 15" or bigger wheels for the conversion though. 14" wheel won't fit. Yeah, even though the conversion is an easy job for a wrench turner, if that's not you, then let a pro do it.
Dennis, who is the owner of discbrakeswap.com includes everything you need in his kit so you won't need to go to the store for anything. You will need 15" or bigger wheels for the conversion though. 14" wheel won't fit. Yeah, even though the conversion is an easy job for a wrench turner, if that's not you, then let a pro do it.
*This is still why mine is sitting my kit is sitting on my dresser...*
You'll need to route some brake lines over to a new place in the wheelwell - this also requires you buy them. You can buy pre-made, or make your own. I would buy pre-made, as flaring takes some practice. I forget the reason exactly, but I think it is because when the wheel turns, the caliper moves in a way that prevents the line from reaching it correctly. See this page to understand. (And you'll notice the picture at the top of JamesW's page shows what I'm talking about).
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RE: 67 front brake conversion question
now you're learning another thing about these cars - came in asking about front brakes and already on to suggestions for 'bump steer' . once you start, its hard to find a stopping place on upgrades etc... 
a big safety issue for me on a 67 would be swapping in a collapsible steering column from a 68 donor car to replace the "stab-o-matic" column, and since its a coupe putting in a 3 point seatbelt in the front should be doable- not sure if the anchor point is installed on 67's on the B-post or not, but these two upgrades would be up there w/ the disc brakes for me.
i never did much to a car before getting my 68, but still managed a complete replacement of the brake system, brake lines, and upgraded manual drums to power discs. that said... if you dont want to attempt it and have the money it's easier for sure. Let us know what city you're in and you may get some good suggestions for local shops. I know a few in san diego, some good and some shady.... (and the "hole in the wall" garage is the good one, the expensive looking place is shady.... so dont trust appearances!)
good luck with your car
a big safety issue for me on a 67 would be swapping in a collapsible steering column from a 68 donor car to replace the "stab-o-matic" column, and since its a coupe putting in a 3 point seatbelt in the front should be doable- not sure if the anchor point is installed on 67's on the B-post or not, but these two upgrades would be up there w/ the disc brakes for me.
i never did much to a car before getting my 68, but still managed a complete replacement of the brake system, brake lines, and upgraded manual drums to power discs. that said... if you dont want to attempt it and have the money it's easier for sure. Let us know what city you're in and you may get some good suggestions for local shops. I know a few in san diego, some good and some shady.... (and the "hole in the wall" garage is the good one, the expensive looking place is shady.... so dont trust appearances!)
good luck with your car
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From: Socal
RE: 67 front brake conversion question
550? what is the labor rate per hour...90hr?
did they give you that price fr the SSBC install. The ssbc install doesn't take as long as the granada kit does. SSBC bolts on to all the existing spindle which saves time. the Discbrakeswap/ granada you need to r&r the spindle and tie rods and then get an alignment.
I'm just going off what we have done for these types of job. the part that I think is the most time consuming is the fabbing or the new hard lines to the MC and the porptioning valve and making them look like they belong there. the SSBC kit should be about 4-5 hours, and the granada 4.5-5.5 hrs but our labor rate is $75.00. hopefully this helps when you go and shop around different shops.
here's a pic of the MC with new hardlines, porportioning valve, and line lock
did they give you that price fr the SSBC install. The ssbc install doesn't take as long as the granada kit does. SSBC bolts on to all the existing spindle which saves time. the Discbrakeswap/ granada you need to r&r the spindle and tie rods and then get an alignment.
I'm just going off what we have done for these types of job. the part that I think is the most time consuming is the fabbing or the new hard lines to the MC and the porptioning valve and making them look like they belong there. the SSBC kit should be about 4-5 hours, and the granada 4.5-5.5 hrs but our labor rate is $75.00. hopefully this helps when you go and shop around different shops.
here's a pic of the MC with new hardlines, porportioning valve, and line lock
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RE: 67 front brake conversion question
I'm located in northern California. There's a Restomod shop in Stockton, about 20 minutes from me. They don't specifically only work on mustangs.They work onrace cars, show cars, and street cars. They're right next door to the Mustangs Plus store and do a lot of work for them so I feel confident they would do a good job on the brake conversion. They're the ones who quoted me the $550 (labor) to do the conversion. I think he said shop time was $70 or $75/hr. I definitely don't have the experience to fab my own lines so looks like I'm going to take the car to someone who knows what they're doing. There's so much info here, now all I have to do is decide which brakes to have installed. I know of discbrakeswap.com, but I don't know what SSBC is. Is that a supplier? Can I find more info on SSBC on these forums? Any other kits you guys recommend I look at?
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With all due respect, I think the gentlemen that mentioned bump steer and the solid shaft column are getting way ahead of the game. Bump steer is a complex issue that will require some research and on a stock car I don't it is that great of an issue. With regard to the steering column, yes it is solid, and yes if you got into a serious front end collision it would be and issue. but even with a collapsable column you would be in big trouble with a front ender. This is akin to the rupturing gas tank issue that 20/20 did a story on. Although it is a risk that has been put out there, there are millions of vintage mustangs that were produced. How many of these rupturing gas tankaccidents have you heard of, or people getting speared with a solid shaft steering column. IMHO it is similar to the risk you take when flying. Possible, yes, likely, no.
As a new guy, just a word of caution, manyof the guys here off excellent advice and information, but many offer suggestions that are in my opinion overkill and/or not warranted at all. For example, before I would consider a bump steer kit, have you even examined the steering and suspension. The first thing to do would be to update the steering and suspension with stock parts. new ball joints, bushings, shocks, springsetc. Then if you have a bump steer problem, address it.
I mean no disrespect many to others offering their opinions and I am sure they offer them with the best of intentions, just a word of caution to do your homework and get all the basic worked out first before spending money on nice to haves and such.
Good luck.
As a new guy, just a word of caution, manyof the guys here off excellent advice and information, but many offer suggestions that are in my opinion overkill and/or not warranted at all. For example, before I would consider a bump steer kit, have you even examined the steering and suspension. The first thing to do would be to update the steering and suspension with stock parts. new ball joints, bushings, shocks, springsetc. Then if you have a bump steer problem, address it.
I mean no disrespect many to others offering their opinions and I am sure they offer them with the best of intentions, just a word of caution to do your homework and get all the basic worked out first before spending money on nice to haves and such.
Good luck.
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RE: 67 front brake conversion question
Your input is appreciated coda618. There is a wealth of information available here on this forum and I assure you I am doing as much research as possible before doing any types of repairs or modifications. 3 point seat belts and front disc brake conversion is still my number one priority. I'm already overwhelmed by all the options of doing a brake conversion but it's nice to know about all these other little (or not so little) problems like bump steer, gas tanks and steering columns. Like everything else new to me, I'll be taking baby steps until I get comfortable with this classic car. You guys and/or gals are all great and your input is always welcomed.
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RE: 67 front brake conversion question
ORIGINAL: coda618
With all due respect, I think the gentlemen that mentioned bump steer and the solid shaft column are getting way ahead of the game. Bump steer is a complex issue that will require some research and on a stock car I don't it is that great of an issue. With regard to the steering column, yes it is solid, and yes if you got into a serious front end collision it would be and issue. but even with a collapsable column you would be in big trouble with a front ender. This is akin to the rupturing gas tank issue that 20/20 did a story on. Although it is a risk that has been put out there, there are millions of vintage mustangs that were produced. How many of these rupturing gas tankaccidents have you heard of, or people getting speared with a solid shaft steering column. IMHO it is similar to the risk you take when flying. Possible, yes, likely, no.
As a new guy, just a word of caution, manyof the guys here off excellent advice and information, but many offer suggestions that are in my opinion overkill and/or not warranted at all. For example, before I would consider a bump steer kit, have you even examined the steering and suspension. The first thing to do would be to update the steering and suspension with stock parts. new ball joints, bushings, shocks, springsetc. Then if you have a bump steer problem, address it.
I mean no disrespect many to others offering their opinions and I am sure they offer them with the best of intentions, just a word of caution to do your homework and get all the basic worked out first before spending money on nice to haves and such.
Good luck.
With all due respect, I think the gentlemen that mentioned bump steer and the solid shaft column are getting way ahead of the game. Bump steer is a complex issue that will require some research and on a stock car I don't it is that great of an issue. With regard to the steering column, yes it is solid, and yes if you got into a serious front end collision it would be and issue. but even with a collapsable column you would be in big trouble with a front ender. This is akin to the rupturing gas tank issue that 20/20 did a story on. Although it is a risk that has been put out there, there are millions of vintage mustangs that were produced. How many of these rupturing gas tankaccidents have you heard of, or people getting speared with a solid shaft steering column. IMHO it is similar to the risk you take when flying. Possible, yes, likely, no.
As a new guy, just a word of caution, manyof the guys here off excellent advice and information, but many offer suggestions that are in my opinion overkill and/or not warranted at all. For example, before I would consider a bump steer kit, have you even examined the steering and suspension. The first thing to do would be to update the steering and suspension with stock parts. new ball joints, bushings, shocks, springsetc. Then if you have a bump steer problem, address it.
I mean no disrespect many to others offering their opinions and I am sure they offer them with the best of intentions, just a word of caution to do your homework and get all the basic worked out first before spending money on nice to haves and such.
Good luck.
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