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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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just sell it, you can plug the "thermactor holes" at least in CA we dont have to smog anything 73 and older, in some states my 500 hp 408 stroker would be a no no.
Old Aug 27, 2008 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tomnardozza
i got a 66 mustang from cali. it has all this smog stuff on there.....looks like it'll come off easy enough, but then i noticed two tubes running alongside the heads that attach right on the top?? of the heads. can these be removed/plugged?? i don't need different heads do i?
Hey, Tom,

I don't know what state you're in, but the smog stuff may have been put on if the car was shipped to a state that required it, or the previous owner just wanted to be green. In CA, you actually don't need the smog stuff, including catalytic converters. You don't have to get a smog cert either. Check your stae's requirements in the vehicular code.

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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 12:01 AM
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Carlos, that's not technically correct. By federal law, you're not allowed to alter emissions equipment on any vehicle originally equipped with it. Emissions started in '66 in CA, and '68 everywhere else. While you aren't required to take the car in for biannual smog inspections, it's still not legal to alter the emissions equipment. If you happen to get caught by one of the rolling sniffers on a Sac or LA onramp for excessive hydrocarbon or NOx production, they can still send you a letter requiring that you take your car in for a smog inspection, assuming it's a '66 or newer CA car, or '68 or newer federal vehicle.

That said, the smog equipment for my '67 is sitting on a shelf in my garage back home:P
Old Aug 28, 2008 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Starfury
Carlos, that's not technically correct. By federal law, you're not allowed to alter emissions equipment on any vehicle originally equipped with it. Emissions started in '66 in CA, and '68 everywhere else. While you aren't required to take the car in for biannual smog inspections, it's still not legal to alter the emissions equipment. If you happen to get caught by one of the rolling sniffers on a Sac or LA onramp for excessive hydrocarbon or NOx production, they can still send you a letter requiring that you take your car in for a smog inspection, assuming it's a '66 or newer CA car, or '68 or newer federal vehicle.

That said, the smog equipment for my '67 is sitting on a shelf in my garage back home:P
Wow, I knew the People Republik of Kalifornia sucked but that is just bad. So how does that work if I drive my 67 on one of those ramps, it was built for Detroit so it doesn't have smog, will I have to get an inspection? Or I bring one of my newer vehicles from out of state without Kalifornia emissions?
Old Aug 28, 2008 | 01:55 AM
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Well, since your car isn't registered in CA, it doesn't matter. CA DMV has no jurisdiction outside of CA. But even if it was registered here, the VIN would show where the car was built and prove that it doesn't fall under CA smog restrictions. Since there were no federal restrictions until 1968, your car has absolutely no smog restrictions whatsoever, so they have no cause to bring your car in for inspection.

If you bring a newer vehicle in from out of state and register it here, it will still be required to pass an initial and then future bi-annual emissions tests, but only with the federal emissions requirements. If you've removed the catalytic converters, installed non-CARB legal headers, etc, you'll be required to change everything back to conform to 49 state emissions standards.

The federal smog equipment regulations have been in place since 1968; that's not a CA thing. It's always been illegal to alter emissions equipment, no matter the state, CA is just one of the few states that actively monitors things like that.

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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Starfury
Well, since your car isn't registered in CA, it doesn't matter. CA DMV has no jurisdiction outside of CA. But even if it was registered here, the VIN would show where the car was built and prove that it doesn't fall under CA smog restrictions. Since there were no federal restrictions until 1968, your car has absolutely no smog restrictions whatsoever, so they have no cause to bring your car in for inspection.

If you bring a newer vehicle in from out of state and register it here, it will still be required to pass an initial and then future bi-annual emissions tests, but only with the federal emissions requirements. If you've removed the catalytic converters, installed non-CARB legal headers, etc, you'll be required to change everything back to conform to 49 state emissions standards.

The federal smog equipment regulations have been in place since 1968; that's not a CA thing. It's always been illegal to alter emissions equipment, no matter the state, CA is just one of the few states that actively monitors things like that.
I have to smog my Honda SUV, but not the Mustang. You're right re: not taking off originally equipped smog equip; I just didn't know a San Jose '66 had any.

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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 10:19 AM
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Yeah, a completely original 66-67 San Jose car would. The catch is, what if you bought the car without the smog equipment? Even if they caught you (which would be a feat in itself), it's not like you can just go to your local parts store, or even the Ford dealer, and pick up replacement parts.
Old Aug 28, 2008 | 10:45 AM
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My 66 had all the smog equipment as well. Really easy to take it off. If you want to plug the thermactor ports I have the plugs for them. Message me if interested.
Old Aug 28, 2008 | 03:28 PM
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Tad's right on the mark, I used to smog cars here in Ca in the 70's-80's. On a good note the air is lot better here now since the smog laws were enacted. We have two very distict valleys, one in so cal and one in central cal that trap emmissions. The polutants combine with sunlight and Viola, the brown haze know as smog is formed.
Old Sep 1, 2008 | 08:16 PM
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California had AIR systems or engine modification starting in 66. My 66 GT350 owners manual had the CARB exemption letter exempting the GT350 and Cobra 427 from the exhaust portions, still had to have closed crankcase ventilation though. BTW California started PCV systems in 1961 I think. The holes in the head should be 5/16"-24, you can use headless allen setscrews in them.

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