Wax question?
2nd Gear Member
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 441
From:
RE: Wax question?
I haven't been on MF for a while and the first post I see includes a Camaro and not a Mustang...AND people here are being nice [8D].
So I will add this...I use Turtle Wax Ice, because if your buddy is careless with waxing, then if you accidently get this stuff on the vinyl it DOESN'T turn it to white. If your buddy is good then go with Meguiars NXT. Can't go wrong.
And I won't add...use 50 grit sandpaper
So I will add this...I use Turtle Wax Ice, because if your buddy is careless with waxing, then if you accidently get this stuff on the vinyl it DOESN'T turn it to white. If your buddy is good then go with Meguiars NXT. Can't go wrong.
And I won't add...use 50 grit sandpaper
1st Gear Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 141
From:
RE: Wax question?
A clay bar won't take off all of the wax and contaminants as well as laquer thinner, or wax/grease remover. A clay bar will give a smooth finish, but it will also pick up those contaminants and if not properly done scratch them all over the car.
As far as going with a polish, then Glaze, then sealant, then wax, thats the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. Why would you put that many layers on a car at one time?
Carnuba wax came out when cars didn't have clear coats. Without a clearcoat, the paint needed something to protect it and make it last. Since the adventation of clear coats, thick coats of carnuba wax are a thing of the past.
KTM300- Have you ever tried it? I've used it on hundreds of cars, and never ran into a problem. I hate it when arrogant people spout off with something they pull out of their a$$. If you're too afraid, buy wax/grease remover for twice the price, with the same end results.
nh3- Whats so wrong???? Once again, arrogant peope pulling something out of their a$$.
As far as going with a polish, then Glaze, then sealant, then wax, thats the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. Why would you put that many layers on a car at one time?
Carnuba wax came out when cars didn't have clear coats. Without a clearcoat, the paint needed something to protect it and make it last. Since the adventation of clear coats, thick coats of carnuba wax are a thing of the past.
KTM300- Have you ever tried it? I've used it on hundreds of cars, and never ran into a problem. I hate it when arrogant people spout off with something they pull out of their a$$. If you're too afraid, buy wax/grease remover for twice the price, with the same end results.
nh3- Whats so wrong???? Once again, arrogant peope pulling something out of their a$$.
6th Gear Member
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 14,917
RE: Wax question?
Brando, relax.
Everyone in the detailing industry does things the way Juztang just recommended, it's done that way for a reason.
I've tried all the one product wonders personally & none of them worked or gave me the proper results.
How do you apply your lacquer thinner?Do you buy enough to just pour it all over your car or do you apply it with a rag? Guess what homeslice, rags will just drag whatever contaminants around on the paint. Use your head!
Claybars if used properly, pick the contaminants up into the claybar, also the use of the proper lubrication will help prevent any scratches.
My Cobra's paint felt like sandpaper before I used a claybar. Using it didn't put any extra scratches or swirls into my surface.
Careful what you say! [&:]
Everyone in the detailing industry does things the way Juztang just recommended, it's done that way for a reason.
I've tried all the one product wonders personally & none of them worked or gave me the proper results.
How do you apply your lacquer thinner?Do you buy enough to just pour it all over your car or do you apply it with a rag? Guess what homeslice, rags will just drag whatever contaminants around on the paint. Use your head!
Claybars if used properly, pick the contaminants up into the claybar, also the use of the proper lubrication will help prevent any scratches.
My Cobra's paint felt like sandpaper before I used a claybar. Using it didn't put any extra scratches or swirls into my surface.
Careful what you say! [&:]
4th Gear Member
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,399
From: Pittsburg, CA (BAY AREA!)
RE: Wax question?
ORIGINAL: brando5.0
The best wax is none at all.
Think of it like this- Every time you apply wax, you're building up the coat of wax. Have you ever tried dipping a match stick or other object in the melted wax from a candle? At first, its clear and shinny. The more you put on, the more hazy it looks. Sure, its shinny on the surface, but the true color underneath looks dulled. Additionally, the wax softens with heat, and will actually make dirt stick to the wax. Now, you have dirt stuck on the car, which will normally scratch the paint when you try to take it off.
My suggestion:
Start off with wax and grease remover, or, for a cheaper, and just as effective, and safe alternative, laquer thinner. (It will soften and remove wax, tar, and rubber, but not paint- keep away from vinyl graphics, and don't a rag covered with laquer thinner sit on any panel for a long time). This will get rid of all the wax and car wash "clear coat protectant". Use a terry cloth or other soft, clean rag. Next, go to Advance Auto Parts, or anywhere else you can find a product called "Liquid Glass". It comes in a pint sized tin can. Kind of a gold/brown color. This is the best product I've found. It's been around for quite a few years.It's not a wax- its a polish. You apply the polish and wipe it off like a liquid wax. Once you're done with that, park the car out in the hot sun for a couple hours. Then, pull it back into the shade and let it cool off. You'll see a little haze and a few spots that look like you missed before. Thats normal- its just the excess that doesn't soak in. Let it cool off and wipe it down again with a microfiber towel.
Liquid glass is by far the best product I've seen for protecting and giving a great finish. One or maybe two coats is more than enough for a summer. And keep the car out of the cheap waxes at the automatic car wash!
The best wax is none at all.
Think of it like this- Every time you apply wax, you're building up the coat of wax. Have you ever tried dipping a match stick or other object in the melted wax from a candle? At first, its clear and shinny. The more you put on, the more hazy it looks. Sure, its shinny on the surface, but the true color underneath looks dulled. Additionally, the wax softens with heat, and will actually make dirt stick to the wax. Now, you have dirt stuck on the car, which will normally scratch the paint when you try to take it off.
My suggestion:
Start off with wax and grease remover, or, for a cheaper, and just as effective, and safe alternative, laquer thinner. (It will soften and remove wax, tar, and rubber, but not paint- keep away from vinyl graphics, and don't a rag covered with laquer thinner sit on any panel for a long time). This will get rid of all the wax and car wash "clear coat protectant". Use a terry cloth or other soft, clean rag. Next, go to Advance Auto Parts, or anywhere else you can find a product called "Liquid Glass". It comes in a pint sized tin can. Kind of a gold/brown color. This is the best product I've found. It's been around for quite a few years.It's not a wax- its a polish. You apply the polish and wipe it off like a liquid wax. Once you're done with that, park the car out in the hot sun for a couple hours. Then, pull it back into the shade and let it cool off. You'll see a little haze and a few spots that look like you missed before. Thats normal- its just the excess that doesn't soak in. Let it cool off and wipe it down again with a microfiber towel.
Liquid glass is by far the best product I've seen for protecting and giving a great finish. One or maybe two coats is more than enough for a summer. And keep the car out of the cheap waxes at the automatic car wash!
When wax gets built up, hazy and/or gets dull, you clay bar it to remove it. The clay bar will remove the wax, and all the contaminants stuck in the wax. Then you reapply a fresh coat or two for protection.
The clear coatis there for a reason. And that reason is to protect. And you use Wax to protect the cars clear coat. It's added protection that is in the best interest of your cars paint.
Like Dan said, people all across the automotive industry have been waxing, claying, and polishingand such for years. It's not like this is something new. Why would you advise someone to do otherwise?
1st Gear Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 141
From:
RE: Wax question?
PWORLDSTANG- If you would read the message, I didn't say clearcoat,I said "clear coat protectant" aka the cheap $hit wax that is multi-colored that automatic car washes put on your car.
Dan- Not everybody does it the wax Juztang does it. I know several professional detailers who do it this way. However, there are many ways to accomplish the same end result.Wash the car by hand, and use a clean rag, folding several times (much like you do when you wipe you ***. Perhaps if your head wasn't buried there, you'd know that. However, with your head firmly embedded in your rectum, being a smart *** seams quite easy for you.)
I agree- clay bars will remove orange peel. IF... and I say IF.... used properly, they will remove a large amount of contaminants as well. I've used them before. But, for the Do it Yourselfer who doesn't pay attention, I will almost guarantee that rocks and debris will be picked up into the bar and scraped across the paint.
Perhaps you should be the one who is "carefull what you say". Have you ever tried my method? Don't be so quick to **** off if you've never tried it.
Dan- Not everybody does it the wax Juztang does it. I know several professional detailers who do it this way. However, there are many ways to accomplish the same end result.Wash the car by hand, and use a clean rag, folding several times (much like you do when you wipe you ***. Perhaps if your head wasn't buried there, you'd know that. However, with your head firmly embedded in your rectum, being a smart *** seams quite easy for you.)
I agree- clay bars will remove orange peel. IF... and I say IF.... used properly, they will remove a large amount of contaminants as well. I've used them before. But, for the Do it Yourselfer who doesn't pay attention, I will almost guarantee that rocks and debris will be picked up into the bar and scraped across the paint.
Perhaps you should be the one who is "carefull what you say". Have you ever tried my method? Don't be so quick to **** off if you've never tried it.
6th Gear Member
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 14,917
RE: Wax question?
Nobody is going off the deep end like you Brando, chill out & accept the fact that there is a more proven method of acheiving the results most people are looking for. Calling names isn't going to prove your point any further, if anything it'll only land you on post approval or on the outside looking in.
Next time you feel you cannot get your point across in the open forums without calling names & being ignorant, please take it to PM's. There's no reason to ruin clix813's thread.
Claybars do not remove orange peel. Based on that statement I'm sure you haven't the slightest clue what OP really is. Claybars are perfect for the everyday joe who doesn't know what he is doing.... [&:]
Next time you feel you cannot get your point across in the open forums without calling names & being ignorant, please take it to PM's. There's no reason to ruin clix813's thread.
Claybars do not remove orange peel. Based on that statement I'm sure you haven't the slightest clue what OP really is. Claybars are perfect for the everyday joe who doesn't know what he is doing.... [&:]
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
AMAlexLazarus
AmericanMuscle.com
3
Oct 2, 2015 08:06 AM
AMAlexLazarus
AmericanMuscle.com
0
Oct 1, 2015 09:21 AM
treesloth
New Member Area
4
Sep 28, 2015 07:03 AM