roots vs. centri
02-11-2007, 06:13 PM
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RE: roots vs. centri
You can tell who has never had a turbo on these posts... turbo lag is a thing of the past if have the right components for the vehicle. I had almost no lag on my WRX or Suprabecause of the correct setup. I never even had to run the Anti-lag on the WRX.
Don't be scared of the blowdryer. If I could afford it, I would have one on this little V-8. I miss the turbo cars......I need something on my 06, its the slowest car I have had in ages....
Don't be scared of the blowdryer. If I could afford it, I would have one on this little V-8. I miss the turbo cars......I need something on my 06, its the slowest car I have had in ages....
02-11-2007, 06:26 PM
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RE: roots vs. centri
ORIGINAL: mygt500
KB has instant boost as opposed to Procharger which requires a little more time to get to boost (not nearly as long as a turbo) hence the difference between the 2 types. I personally want the boost instant and in lower RPM's so as not to be running near redline to get max boost. JMO. check this website out for reference between the two. They are using the whipple and the vortech. Both I find are very reliable and the whipple looks factory when done.http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...-3valve46.htmland this one http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...h-alcohol.html. Hope it helps in your decision! Great numbers on the dyno with both!
KB has instant boost as opposed to Procharger which requires a little more time to get to boost (not nearly as long as a turbo) hence the difference between the 2 types. I personally want the boost instant and in lower RPM's so as not to be running near redline to get max boost. JMO. check this website out for reference between the two. They are using the whipple and the vortech. Both I find are very reliable and the whipple looks factory when done.http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...-3valve46.htmland this one http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...h-alcohol.html. Hope it helps in your decision! Great numbers on the dyno with both!
Andrew
02-11-2007, 10:35 PM
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RE: roots vs. centri
Actually turbos are not the question and if I offended your delicate sensibilities about turbos then my bad. Regardless, I guess I was referencing turbos of the past as I have not had one sincehigh school 15 yrs ago. For me it is S/C all the way!The difference between running 10lbs of boost on a S/C is totally different than comparing that to 20 lbs of boost on a turbo. It is comparing apples to oranges.If I ran 450 RWHP or lower on 10 PSI of boost on a S/C with a stock block than why not as I just increased HP/TQ and didn't have to build the lower end as you would to run a turbo with 20 lbs of boost. Two totally different things. So instead of bashing the thread and S/C 'ing just dont post anything if it doesn't help! Start a turbo thread if you want to bash S/C. Please check spelling before you post (its parasitic, not parasadistic) J. P.S. It is much cheaper to replace a belt than it is to replace a motor![sm=exactly.gif][sm=icon_ladiesman.gif]
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Could you actually try to get some experience with modern turbos before you post? Modern dual ball bearing turbos have NO turbo lag, on my buddies car he has max boost already at 2.1k RPM and he is running a GT40R BB which is considered a rather large turbo. But yeah you are right go with a supercharger so you can start breaking belts and make less hp at every psi level; hell lets not even start on the torque difference. I will bet you anything that a turbo setup at 20 lbs will at least have 100hp/120tq over any sc setup. Remember a SC is a parasadistic power adder; robs hp to make hp.
Andrew
ORIGINAL: mygt500
KB has instant boost as opposed to Procharger which requires a little more time to get to boost (not nearly as long as a turbo) hence the difference between the 2 types. I personally want the boost instant and in lower RPM's so as not to be running near redline to get max boost. JMO. check this website out for reference between the two. They are using the whipple and the vortech. Both I find are very reliable and the whipple looks factory when done.http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...-3valve46.htmland this one http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...h-alcohol.html. Hope it helps in your decision! Great numbers on the dyno with both!
KB has instant boost as opposed to Procharger which requires a little more time to get to boost (not nearly as long as a turbo) hence the difference between the 2 types. I personally want the boost instant and in lower RPM's so as not to be running near redline to get max boost. JMO. check this website out for reference between the two. They are using the whipple and the vortech. Both I find are very reliable and the whipple looks factory when done.http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...-3valve46.htmland this one http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...h-alcohol.html. Hope it helps in your decision! Great numbers on the dyno with both!
Andrew
02-12-2007, 02:17 AM
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RE: roots vs. centri
I'm highjacking this thread.......and there is nothing you can do about it. Hey Androdz im gonna turbo charge my Stang but notsure on which one i want......leaning towards the Hellion ( hope i spelled that right). What do you think?
02-12-2007, 04:38 AM
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RE: roots vs. centri
ORIGINAL: mygt500
Actually turbos are not the question and if I offended your delicate sensibilities about turbos then my bad. Regardless, I guess I was referencing turbos of the past as I have not had one sincehigh school 15 yrs ago. For me it is S/C all the way!The difference between running 10lbs of boost on a S/C is totally different than comparing that to 20 lbs of boost on a turbo. It is comparing apples to oranges.If I ran 450 RWHP or lower on 10 PSI of boost on a S/C with a stock block than why not as I just increased HP/TQ and didn't have to build the lower end as you would to run a turbo with 20 lbs of boost. Two totally different things. So instead of bashing the thread and S/C 'ing just dont post anything if it doesn't help! Start a turbo thread if you want to bash S/C. Please check spelling before you post (its parasitic, not parasadistic) J. P.S. It is much cheaper to replace a belt than it is to replace a motor![sm=exactly.gif][sm=icon_ladiesman.gif]
Actually turbos are not the question and if I offended your delicate sensibilities about turbos then my bad. Regardless, I guess I was referencing turbos of the past as I have not had one sincehigh school 15 yrs ago. For me it is S/C all the way!The difference between running 10lbs of boost on a S/C is totally different than comparing that to 20 lbs of boost on a turbo. It is comparing apples to oranges.If I ran 450 RWHP or lower on 10 PSI of boost on a S/C with a stock block than why not as I just increased HP/TQ and didn't have to build the lower end as you would to run a turbo with 20 lbs of boost. Two totally different things. So instead of bashing the thread and S/C 'ing just dont post anything if it doesn't help! Start a turbo thread if you want to bash S/C. Please check spelling before you post (its parasitic, not parasadistic) J. P.S. It is much cheaper to replace a belt than it is to replace a motor![sm=exactly.gif][sm=icon_ladiesman.gif]
ORIGINAL: androdz
Could you actually try to get some experience with modern turbos before you post? Modern dual ball bearing turbos have NO turbo lag, on my buddies car he has max boost already at 2.1k RPM and he is running a GT40R BB which is considered a rather large turbo. But yeah you are right go with a supercharger so you can start breaking belts and make less hp at every psi level; hell lets not even start on the torque difference. I will bet you anything that a turbo setup at 20 lbs will at least have 100hp/120tq over any sc setup. Remember a SC is a parasadistic power adder; robs hp to make hp.
Andrew
ORIGINAL: mygt500
KB has instant boost as opposed to Procharger which requires a little more time to get to boost (not nearly as long as a turbo) hence the difference between the 2 types. I personally want the boost instant and in lower RPM's so as not to be running near redline to get max boost. JMO. check this website out for reference between the two. They are using the whipple and the vortech. Both I find are very reliable and the whipple looks factory when done.http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...-3valve46.htmland this one http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...h-alcohol.html. Hope it helps in your decision! Great numbers on the dyno with both!
KB has instant boost as opposed to Procharger which requires a little more time to get to boost (not nearly as long as a turbo) hence the difference between the 2 types. I personally want the boost instant and in lower RPM's so as not to be running near redline to get max boost. JMO. check this website out for reference between the two. They are using the whipple and the vortech. Both I find are very reliable and the whipple looks factory when done.http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...-3valve46.htmland this one http://www.alternativeauto.com/prods...h-alcohol.html. Hope it helps in your decision! Great numbers on the dyno with both!
Andrew
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02-12-2007, 12:54 PM
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RE: roots vs. centri
Wow...it's a pissin' match now. Anyway, I've been going back and forth on these same questions myself, and I was totally sold on the whipple for a while. Now, for ease ofinstall and for not really wanting to spend a ton I think I'm planning on going vortech or possibly a turbo.
From people with experience, is it easier to install a turbo or a vortech? I would of course be going intercooled, or the new alcohol injection thing sounds kinda cool.
I've driven newer turbo cars and people that say that turbo lag is a thing of the past are wrong. Sure, it's not as bad as it was, but there still is a bit of lag. However, with the small amount of boost required to make good power on our GT's, you can run a smaller turbo which will spool up quicker and still make plenty of boost which will also help to decrease the lag. At this point, I'm pretty much sold on the vortech, but would still consider a turbo if the price was right.
From people with experience, is it easier to install a turbo or a vortech? I would of course be going intercooled, or the new alcohol injection thing sounds kinda cool.
I've driven newer turbo cars and people that say that turbo lag is a thing of the past are wrong. Sure, it's not as bad as it was, but there still is a bit of lag. However, with the small amount of boost required to make good power on our GT's, you can run a smaller turbo which will spool up quicker and still make plenty of boost which will also help to decrease the lag. At this point, I'm pretty much sold on the vortech, but would still consider a turbo if the price was right.
02-12-2007, 02:30 PM
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RE: roots vs. centri
my 2cents....
had a Vortech H.O. S/C installed and custom tuned..picked her up 2/1... 434RWHP.... mild mannered under 2500 (good for cruising around town) a beast above 2500... 20-80 mph in second in about 4 seconds.... seat of the pants.......
not too noisey either... you can hear the S/C @ 1/2 - WOT..... but around town hardly noticed....
Good Luck with your choice!!
had a Vortech H.O. S/C installed and custom tuned..picked her up 2/1... 434RWHP.... mild mannered under 2500 (good for cruising around town) a beast above 2500... 20-80 mph in second in about 4 seconds.... seat of the pants.......
not too noisey either... you can hear the S/C @ 1/2 - WOT..... but around town hardly noticed....
Good Luck with your choice!!