What is it with chevy owners alwas talking smack?
03-11-2007, 08:52 AM
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RE: What is it with chevy owners alwas talking smack?
Everyone talks smack and that is just the way it is and always will be. Chevy talks smack, Ford talks smack, and Mopar talks smack.
As for F-bodies vs Fords. Well the difference is that in recent generations of Camaro and Mustang, there have been really only two levels to the Camaro and there are three to the Mustang.
The Mustang has the V6, the GT, and the Cobra. Camaro has the V6, and the Z28/SS. Now some Camaro faithfull will say that the Z28 is the mid levelbetween the V6 and the SS, but the Camaro faithfull will also point out that the Z28 and the SS had the exact same engine and despite different power claims from the factory often dynoed exactlythe same.
So people often go about comparing the Mustang GT with the clearly more powerful Z28s and SSs, when they should be comparing them to the Mustang Cobras. The Mustang Cobras have been able to hold their own against F-bodiesfor quite a while. Even the 96-98 Cobra had 305hp/300 ft-lbs which was a direct comparison to the LT1 rated at 305hp/325 ft-lbs. Later the new edge Cobras had 320hp/317 ft-lbs and Mach1s 305hp/320ft-lbs compared fairly well to the LS1 Camaro SSwith 325hp/350ft-lbs. Finally the terminator Cobra had 390hp/390ft-lbs which destroyed the LS1 GTO, and compared directly to the LS2 GTOs with 400hp/400ft-lbs.
From all those numbers, Chevy stillhad the edge with the power (and particularly torque), but that is because they are running 5.7L+ engines, but the edge isn't really that big. The big discrepancy in power/torque between Ford and Chevyis apparentwhen you start comparing top-of-the-line Camaros with the middle of the road 2V/3V Mustang GTs (and even some of them can hold their own). Furthermore, the Mustang Cobras, Camaro SS, and GTOs were all similarly priced, which was and always will be moreexpensive than the GT. The only "exception" is theShelby CobraGT500, but we will see what the next Camaro SS costs with dealer markupsina few years and compare them then.
I would love to have a larger power plant in the Mustang, but the smaller 4Vmod motors have been getting the job done nicely even with a 1.1-1.4L handicap in displacement. Bottom line is that Ford is doing just fine with the Mustangs IMHO.
As for F-bodies vs Fords. Well the difference is that in recent generations of Camaro and Mustang, there have been really only two levels to the Camaro and there are three to the Mustang.
The Mustang has the V6, the GT, and the Cobra. Camaro has the V6, and the Z28/SS. Now some Camaro faithfull will say that the Z28 is the mid levelbetween the V6 and the SS, but the Camaro faithfull will also point out that the Z28 and the SS had the exact same engine and despite different power claims from the factory often dynoed exactlythe same.
So people often go about comparing the Mustang GT with the clearly more powerful Z28s and SSs, when they should be comparing them to the Mustang Cobras. The Mustang Cobras have been able to hold their own against F-bodiesfor quite a while. Even the 96-98 Cobra had 305hp/300 ft-lbs which was a direct comparison to the LT1 rated at 305hp/325 ft-lbs. Later the new edge Cobras had 320hp/317 ft-lbs and Mach1s 305hp/320ft-lbs compared fairly well to the LS1 Camaro SSwith 325hp/350ft-lbs. Finally the terminator Cobra had 390hp/390ft-lbs which destroyed the LS1 GTO, and compared directly to the LS2 GTOs with 400hp/400ft-lbs.
From all those numbers, Chevy stillhad the edge with the power (and particularly torque), but that is because they are running 5.7L+ engines, but the edge isn't really that big. The big discrepancy in power/torque between Ford and Chevyis apparentwhen you start comparing top-of-the-line Camaros with the middle of the road 2V/3V Mustang GTs (and even some of them can hold their own). Furthermore, the Mustang Cobras, Camaro SS, and GTOs were all similarly priced, which was and always will be moreexpensive than the GT. The only "exception" is theShelby CobraGT500, but we will see what the next Camaro SS costs with dealer markupsina few years and compare them then.
I would love to have a larger power plant in the Mustang, but the smaller 4Vmod motors have been getting the job done nicely even with a 1.1-1.4L handicap in displacement. Bottom line is that Ford is doing just fine with the Mustangs IMHO.
03-11-2007, 10:12 AM
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RE: What is it with chevy owners alwas talking smack?
ORIGINAL: chupac
I'm also a Chevy owner, also an ex GM tech. I've got to say my stock GT feels faster than most of the other stock GM muscle out of the factory, (other than the Vette). The dealership at which I worked was on of the largest in the Southwest so we got all the so called special cars an I had the opportunity to drive just about everyone that came out at the time (until late 2001). As far as the smack talking it's a Ford vs Chevy vs Mopar thing. We just need to put the ls1 people in their place every chance we get...
I'm also a Chevy owner, also an ex GM tech. I've got to say my stock GT feels faster than most of the other stock GM muscle out of the factory, (other than the Vette). The dealership at which I worked was on of the largest in the Southwest so we got all the so called special cars an I had the opportunity to drive just about everyone that came out at the time (until late 2001). As far as the smack talking it's a Ford vs Chevy vs Mopar thing. We just need to put the ls1 people in their place every chance we get...
. They are nothing to play with, but i'm game. I've beaten 2 before, and i've lost to 1. I'm always up for an LS1 race.
03-11-2007, 02:24 PM
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RE: What is it with chevy owners alwas talking smack?
I am a GM guy. Plain and simple. Most of the stangs made between 1970 and 2004 were not my cup of tea in the least. The 99-04 was tempting, but still just did not drive anywhere near how a modern car should.
If GM made a GTO that actually looked and performed like one, I would have been all over it. I have a 67 goat and would have loved to drive a new one every day. Even a camaro would have been nice.
I am into some of the mopar stuff too, but the idea of a 4 door charger with an automatic urks me.
The mustangs looks right, sounds right, performs well, and is priced at a point that I can close my eyes to its faults.
If GM made a GTO that actually looked and performed like one, I would have been all over it. I have a 67 goat and would have loved to drive a new one every day. Even a camaro would have been nice.
I am into some of the mopar stuff too, but the idea of a 4 door charger with an automatic urks me.
The mustangs looks right, sounds right, performs well, and is priced at a point that I can close my eyes to its faults.
03-11-2007, 03:53 PM
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RE: What is it with chevy owners alwas talking smack?
ORIGINAL: chupac
Both car lines were killed so they could bring them back and try to rekindle the interest in them. I wonder why Ford never thought of that. Oh yeah they didn't need to.
Both car lines were killed so they could bring them back and try to rekindle the interest in them. I wonder why Ford never thought of that. Oh yeah they didn't need to.
03-11-2007, 09:53 PM
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RE: What is it with chevy owners alwas talking smack?
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I am a GM guy. Plain and simple. If GM made a GTO that actually looked and performed like one, I would have been all over it. I have a 67 goat and would have loved to drive a new one every day. Even a camaro would have been nice.
The mustangs looks right, sounds right, performs well, and is priced at a point that I can close my eyes to its faults.
I am a GM guy. Plain and simple. If GM made a GTO that actually looked and performed like one, I would have been all over it. I have a 67 goat and would have loved to drive a new one every day. Even a camaro would have been nice.
The mustangs looks right, sounds right, performs well, and is priced at a point that I can close my eyes to its faults.
03-12-2007, 03:34 PM
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RE: What is it with chevy owners alwas talking smack?
I've only raced one ls1 and KICK IT A$$. but i know for a fact the kid messed it up trying to modd it. for one, it had no exhuast; so it sound nice till he went WOT; i can hear it was sick...plus 3 ppl in a 4.6L should not be beating an 5.7L ls1 w/ 1 person...
I'm pretty sure the SS and ws6 are FASTER then the stang. Not going to fight that one, but imo thatS why ford made the mach1, svt cobra and the new gt500. those cars are top of the line mustangs. so like some body else all ready said when you take the top of the line mustang and ls1...COBRA comes OUT on top.
but truth be told, that new z06 is the baddest "race" car you can buy for the money; OMG I LOVE THAT CAR!
I'm pretty sure the SS and ws6 are FASTER then the stang. Not going to fight that one, but imo thatS why ford made the mach1, svt cobra and the new gt500. those cars are top of the line mustangs. so like some body else all ready said when you take the top of the line mustang and ls1...COBRA comes OUT on top.
but truth be told, that new z06 is the baddest "race" car you can buy for the money; OMG I LOVE THAT CAR!
03-12-2007, 03:54 PM
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RE: What is it with chevy owners alwas talking smack?
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I'm pretty sure the SS and ws6 are FASTER then the stang. Not going to fight that one, but imo thatS why ford made the mach1, svt cobra and the new gt500. those cars are top of the line mustangs. so like some body else all ready said when you take the top of the line mustang and ls1...COBRA comes OUT on top.
but truth be told, that new z06 is the baddest "race" car you can buy for the money; OMG I LOVE THAT CAR!
I'm pretty sure the SS and ws6 are FASTER then the stang. Not going to fight that one, but imo thatS why ford made the mach1, svt cobra and the new gt500. those cars are top of the line mustangs. so like some body else all ready said when you take the top of the line mustang and ls1...COBRA comes OUT on top.
but truth be told, that new z06 is the baddest "race" car you can buy for the money; OMG I LOVE THAT CAR!
Chevy guys always like to pick on the Mustang GTs for a lack of power, but hardly ever mention the Mustang Cobras.
03-12-2007, 04:32 PM
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RE: What is it with chevy owners alwas talking smack?
It's called selective amnesia...
They always forget about the comparable models (cobras)...lol
It's true, they are always talking smack on the GT but seldom mention the terminator stock for stock when comparing factory powerplants.
Everyone talks smack but you goota love the mustang guys for at least talking smack with high hopes...lol
A mustang guy will talk about being able to spank a bigger displacement motor car and they GM guys brag about being able to spank the slowest models in the competitor class. It would be like if we talked smack about being able to spank the Cavalier...lol
This is one of the reasons the mustangs urks them so bad also. The fact they have the factory displacement where we feel we 'SHOULD' be is what urks us.
They always forget about the comparable models (cobras)...lol
It's true, they are always talking smack on the GT but seldom mention the terminator stock for stock when comparing factory powerplants.
Everyone talks smack but you goota love the mustang guys for at least talking smack with high hopes...lol
A mustang guy will talk about being able to spank a bigger displacement motor car and they GM guys brag about being able to spank the slowest models in the competitor class. It would be like if we talked smack about being able to spank the Cavalier...lol
This is one of the reasons the mustangs urks them so bad also. The fact they have the factory displacement where we feel we 'SHOULD' be is what urks us.