Voice YOUR opinion!
07-21-2007, 05:02 PM
#11
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RE: Voice YOUR opinion!
IRS[:'(] Look how much trouble srt8 owners or gto owners have trying to get a good launch without breaking ****.Some of the more serious GTO drag racers have swapped to a solid axle, Same for the cobras.
ORIGINAL: s2k
The only thing I think that the mustangs really need more is IRS and a bigger engine more like a 5.4 4v, leave the 6 speeds for the GT500. Trust me 6 speeds aren't that great and unless you reallly want to cruise in 6th. My s2k and rx-8 are 6 speeds and I used to use 6th alot but since i got the stang i realized 6th is next to useless.
The only thing I think that the mustangs really need more is IRS and a bigger engine more like a 5.4 4v, leave the 6 speeds for the GT500. Trust me 6 speeds aren't that great and unless you reallly want to cruise in 6th. My s2k and rx-8 are 6 speeds and I used to use 6th alot but since i got the stang i realized 6th is next to useless.
07-21-2007, 07:59 PM
#12
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RE: Voice YOUR opinion!
If they wanted to build a car that had crappy ride, crappy fuel economy and a price that was 10k higher many of these ideas would work. But no ford rep is gonna look at ideas that are going to raise the price of the car 5-10k higher and ruin its sales point.
Put in a 5.0, put in a 4v, make a more powerful engine blah blah... Well, they kinda did all this, the 05+ have more power than previous GT's, and are 3v instead of 2.
The stock gear ratios allow a good fuel economy comprimise, ford gets charged by the EPA for every car that doesnt get a certain minimum average EMPG, and the mustang GT doesnt get that MPG as it is, so they are tryingnot to bankrupt themselves with fines. But again, theavailable gear ratios are still better than other previous GT's.
The leather seat inserts are the industry standard and have been for years. No car has full leather seats! Leather doesnt flex like vinyl does and you would have the seats tearing from getting in and out at a very young age!
The new mustangs frame is considerably more rigid than in the past... unfortunatly the car is heavier which is one thing ford really could improve on. Help out there MPG andthe numbers, but lightweight crap costs lots of money too.
SoI think a better question would be, what could ford do to improve the mustang without soaring the prices through the roof?
Charger srt8
0-60 = 5.0 sec
1/4 mile = 13.5 @ 106.3mph
4226 lbs
Base price 36k
mustang GT
1/4 13.6 sec
0-60 5.1 sec
3500 lbs
Base price 25k
How do we not compare with SRT8, except being a lot cheaper, and sexy 2 door instead of nappy 4 door pig. Stop focusing on numbers so much, yay I have a 425 HP v8 16mpg... and my car is barely faster than a 300hp 24mpg mustang
The stock driveshaft definatly sucks, it does a good job of dampening vibration but the clunking sound is really terrible.
The paper mach'e suspension parts are definatly inadequate and could be replaced... but if I was going to be really enthusiastic about my suspension it would all be replaced with aftermarket anyway. But in my opition the car actually rides very well for a muscle car!
The engine is fine, if you can really afford to supercharge the car, and maintain a car that makes over 500bhp, then you can afford to forge the bottom end and build the motor for your needs. Oh and replace most of the driveline with aftermarket items that wont break.
All I am saying is, if you want ford to change things, be realistic. If you want a forged 5.4 4v suitable for SC buy a gt500... The mustang is awesome for the price, and will seriously compete with most things anywhere near its price range in stock form. The beautiful thing is, if you want to spend SRT8 money on a mustang, you can have any of the things that you asked for... and be a lot faster and miles sexier!
Put in a 5.0, put in a 4v, make a more powerful engine blah blah... Well, they kinda did all this, the 05+ have more power than previous GT's, and are 3v instead of 2.
The stock gear ratios allow a good fuel economy comprimise, ford gets charged by the EPA for every car that doesnt get a certain minimum average EMPG, and the mustang GT doesnt get that MPG as it is, so they are tryingnot to bankrupt themselves with fines. But again, theavailable gear ratios are still better than other previous GT's.
The leather seat inserts are the industry standard and have been for years. No car has full leather seats! Leather doesnt flex like vinyl does and you would have the seats tearing from getting in and out at a very young age!
The new mustangs frame is considerably more rigid than in the past... unfortunatly the car is heavier which is one thing ford really could improve on. Help out there MPG andthe numbers, but lightweight crap costs lots of money too.
SoI think a better question would be, what could ford do to improve the mustang without soaring the prices through the roof?
Charger srt8
0-60 = 5.0 sec
1/4 mile = 13.5 @ 106.3mph
4226 lbs
Base price 36k
mustang GT
1/4 13.6 sec
0-60 5.1 sec
3500 lbs
Base price 25k
How do we not compare with SRT8, except being a lot cheaper, and sexy 2 door instead of nappy 4 door pig. Stop focusing on numbers so much, yay I have a 425 HP v8 16mpg... and my car is barely faster than a 300hp 24mpg mustang
The stock driveshaft definatly sucks, it does a good job of dampening vibration but the clunking sound is really terrible.
The paper mach'e suspension parts are definatly inadequate and could be replaced... but if I was going to be really enthusiastic about my suspension it would all be replaced with aftermarket anyway. But in my opition the car actually rides very well for a muscle car!
The engine is fine, if you can really afford to supercharge the car, and maintain a car that makes over 500bhp, then you can afford to forge the bottom end and build the motor for your needs. Oh and replace most of the driveline with aftermarket items that wont break.
All I am saying is, if you want ford to change things, be realistic. If you want a forged 5.4 4v suitable for SC buy a gt500... The mustang is awesome for the price, and will seriously compete with most things anywhere near its price range in stock form. The beautiful thing is, if you want to spend SRT8 money on a mustang, you can have any of the things that you asked for... and be a lot faster and miles sexier!
07-21-2007, 08:04 PM
#13
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RE: Voice YOUR opinion!
Oh, and I agree, stop charging an arm and a leg for special editions, and stop your dealers from marking everything up through the roof! Dealers are the devil!
I cant drive without arms and legs, or make the money for the payments [sm=devilgrin.gif]
I cant drive without arms and legs, or make the money for the payments [sm=devilgrin.gif]
07-21-2007, 08:28 PM
#14
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Pacific Northwest, USA
Posts: 1,691
RE: Voice YOUR opinion!
ORIGINAL: Shard Phoenix
If they wanted to build a car that had crappy ride, crappy fuel economy and a price that was 10k higher many of these ideas would work. But no ford rep is gonna look at ideas that are going to raise the price of the car 5-10k higher and ruin its sales point.
Put in a 5.0, put in a 4v, make a more powerful engine blah blah... Well, they kinda did all this, the 05+ have more power than previous GT's, and are 3v instead of 2.
The stock gear ratios allow a good fuel economy comprimise, ford gets charged by the EPA for every car that doesnt get a certain minimum average EMPG, and the mustang GT doesnt get that MPG as it is, so they are tryingnot to bankrupt themselves with fines. But again, theavailable gear ratios are still better than other previous GT's.
The leather seat inserts are the industry standard and have been for years. No car has full leather seats! Leather doesnt flex like vinyl does and you would have the seats tearing from getting in and out at a very young age!
The new mustangs frame is considerably more rigid than in the past... unfortunatly the car is heavier which is one thing ford really could improve on. Help out there MPG andthe numbers, but lightweight crap costs lots of money too.
SoI think a better question would be, what could ford do to improve the mustang without soaring the prices through the roof?
Charger srt8
0-60 = 5.0 sec
1/4 mile = 13.5 @ 106.3mph
4226 lbs
Base price 36k
mustang GT
1/4 13.6 sec
0-60 5.1 sec
3500 lbs
Base price 25k
How do we not compare with SRT8, except being a lot cheaper, and sexy 2 door instead of nappy 4 door pig. Stop focusing on numbers so much, yay I have a 425 HP v8 16mpg... and my car is barely faster than a 300hp 24mpg mustang
The stock driveshaft definatly sucks, it does a good job of dampening vibration but the clunking sound is really terrible.
The paper mach'e suspension parts are definatly inadequate and could be replaced... but if I was going to be really enthusiastic about my suspension it would all be replaced with aftermarket anyway. But in my opition the car actually rides very well for a muscle car!
The engine is fine, if you can really afford to supercharge the car, and maintain a car that makes over 500bhp, then you can afford to forge the bottom end and build the motor for your needs. Oh and replace most of the driveline with aftermarket items that wont break.
All I am saying is, if you want ford to change things, be realistic. If you want a forged 5.4 4v suitable for SC buy a gt500... The mustang is awesome for the price, and will seriously compete with most things anywhere near its price range in stock form. The beautiful thing is, if you want to spend SRT8 money on a mustang, you can have any of the things that you asked for... and be a lot faster and miles sexier!
If they wanted to build a car that had crappy ride, crappy fuel economy and a price that was 10k higher many of these ideas would work. But no ford rep is gonna look at ideas that are going to raise the price of the car 5-10k higher and ruin its sales point.
Put in a 5.0, put in a 4v, make a more powerful engine blah blah... Well, they kinda did all this, the 05+ have more power than previous GT's, and are 3v instead of 2.
The stock gear ratios allow a good fuel economy comprimise, ford gets charged by the EPA for every car that doesnt get a certain minimum average EMPG, and the mustang GT doesnt get that MPG as it is, so they are tryingnot to bankrupt themselves with fines. But again, theavailable gear ratios are still better than other previous GT's.
The leather seat inserts are the industry standard and have been for years. No car has full leather seats! Leather doesnt flex like vinyl does and you would have the seats tearing from getting in and out at a very young age!
The new mustangs frame is considerably more rigid than in the past... unfortunatly the car is heavier which is one thing ford really could improve on. Help out there MPG andthe numbers, but lightweight crap costs lots of money too.
SoI think a better question would be, what could ford do to improve the mustang without soaring the prices through the roof?
Charger srt8
0-60 = 5.0 sec
1/4 mile = 13.5 @ 106.3mph
4226 lbs
Base price 36k
mustang GT
1/4 13.6 sec
0-60 5.1 sec
3500 lbs
Base price 25k
How do we not compare with SRT8, except being a lot cheaper, and sexy 2 door instead of nappy 4 door pig. Stop focusing on numbers so much, yay I have a 425 HP v8 16mpg... and my car is barely faster than a 300hp 24mpg mustang
The stock driveshaft definatly sucks, it does a good job of dampening vibration but the clunking sound is really terrible.
The paper mach'e suspension parts are definatly inadequate and could be replaced... but if I was going to be really enthusiastic about my suspension it would all be replaced with aftermarket anyway. But in my opition the car actually rides very well for a muscle car!
The engine is fine, if you can really afford to supercharge the car, and maintain a car that makes over 500bhp, then you can afford to forge the bottom end and build the motor for your needs. Oh and replace most of the driveline with aftermarket items that wont break.
All I am saying is, if you want ford to change things, be realistic. If you want a forged 5.4 4v suitable for SC buy a gt500... The mustang is awesome for the price, and will seriously compete with most things anywhere near its price range in stock form. The beautiful thing is, if you want to spend SRT8 money on a mustang, you can have any of the things that you asked for... and be a lot faster and miles sexier!
07-21-2007, 08:39 PM
#15
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RE: Voice YOUR opinion!
I still wouldnt, I am just a soldier... The GT kicks my pocketbooks *** in its lowly-but-almost fully loaded form :P I love the shelby, but the GT was just the right price 
And dont get me wrong, a 350 HP 5.0 2v or 3v would be creamy in my pants... but its not happening! They already have the 281, its not getting replaced!
And dont get me wrong, a 350 HP 5.0 2v or 3v would be creamy in my pants... but its not happening! They already have the 281, its not getting replaced!
07-21-2007, 08:46 PM
#16
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RE: Voice YOUR opinion!
I can always dream about it though Other than what I posted not sure I'd change much.
The fox bodies lasted for more than 10 years before they changed the body style so hopfully this one stays around for awhile although I think its gonna change in 2010
Other than what I posted not sure I'd change much. The fox bodies lasted for more than 10 years before they changed the body style so hopfully this one stays around for awhile although I think its gonna change in 2010
07-21-2007, 09:30 PM
#18
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Location: Palm Beach to South Carolina
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RE: Voice YOUR opinion!
ORIGINAL: Shard Phoenix
If they wanted to build a car that had crappy ride, crappy fuel economy and a price that was 10k higher many of these ideas would work. But no ford rep is gonna look at ideas that are going to raise the price of the car 5-10k higher and ruin its sales point.
Put in a 5.0, put in a 4v, make a more powerful engine blah blah... Well, they kinda did all this, the 05+ have more power than previous GT's, and are 3v instead of 2.
If they wanted to build a car that had crappy ride, crappy fuel economy and a price that was 10k higher many of these ideas would work. But no ford rep is gonna look at ideas that are going to raise the price of the car 5-10k higher and ruin its sales point.
Put in a 5.0, put in a 4v, make a more powerful engine blah blah... Well, they kinda did all this, the 05+ have more power than previous GT's, and are 3v instead of 2.
The stock gear ratios allow a good fuel economy comprimise, ford gets charged by the EPA for every car that doesnt get a certain minimum average EMPG, and the mustang GT doesnt get that MPG as it is, so they are trying not to bankrupt themselves with fines. But again, the available gear ratios are still better than other previous GT's.
The leather seat inserts are the industry standard and have been for years. No car has full leather seats! Leather doesnt flex like vinyl does and you would have the seats tearing from getting in and out at a very young age!
The new mustangs frame is considerably more rigid than in the past... unfortunatly the car is heavier which is one thing ford really could improve on. Help out there MPG and the numbers, but lightweight crap costs lots of money too.
The new mustangs frame is considerably more rigid than in the past... unfortunatly the car is heavier which is one thing ford really could improve on. Help out there MPG and the numbers, but lightweight crap costs lots of money too.
How do we not compare with SRT8, except being a lot cheaper, and sexy 2 door instead of nappy 4 door pig. Stop focusing on numbers so much, yay I have a 425 HP v8 16mpg... and my car is barely faster than a 300hp 24mpg mustang
The stock driveshaft definatly sucks, it does a good job of dampening vibration but the clunking sound is really terrible.
The paper mach'e suspension parts are definatly inadequate and could be replaced... but if I was going to be really enthusiastic about my suspension it would all be replaced with aftermarket anyway. But in my opition the car actually rides very well for a muscle car!
The engine is fine, if you can really afford to supercharge the car, and maintain a car that makes over 500bhp, then you can afford to forge the bottom end and build the motor for your needs. Oh and replace most of the driveline with aftermarket items that wont break.
All I am saying is, if you want ford to change things, be realistic. If you want a forged 5.4 4v suitable for SC buy a gt500... The mustang is awesome for the price, and will seriously compete with most things anywhere near its price range in stock form. The beautiful thing is, if you want to spend SRT8 money on a mustang, you can have any of the things that you asked for... and be a lot faster and miles sexier!
07-21-2007, 10:06 PM
#20
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RE: Voice YOUR opinion!
ORIGINAL: 22kart22
Good points. But you gotta admit ford really scimped on some of the s197 mustang parts.
Good points. But you gotta admit ford really scimped on some of the s197 mustang parts.
The part that is really hard to change is the engine's internals. That is more than I can take on or are willing to pay for. With the increased hp of a 5.0 liter 3v, the internals will probably need to be beefed up anyway. Mass production of the new engine and internals will keep the costs down. Ford already knows that they have a winner in the Mustang GT, so calculating the new costs should be easy by looking at current/expected sales volume in years to come.
Ford would be crazy to keep the current engine at 300 hp. Hell, there are 6 cylinders out there making over 300 hp right now! (G35 Sedan, G37 Coupe, IS350) The new 6-cylinder Camaro could conceivably have 275+ hp.