That's right where I was on the dyno.

 

I've only seen mine hit 18.5* of timing, but that's reading from the aeroforce gauge, which might not be perfectly accurate. I actually recorded the timing during a WOT run and it stayed 18.5 all the way to 6k.

I don't think it's quite so simple to transfer the whipple tune to a xcal, but that sounds nice.

 

Yeah, I don't think you can just lean out the Whipple/FRPP tune. It won't work with the Xcal.

If you want a mail-order tune, I would call Justin at VMP. I think I will be going that route if the FRPP tune doesn't deliver the goods.

 

I was kind of talking in general, for guys like us who plan on getting a dyno tune no need but those guys who installa Whipple and have no plans or need to get a dyno tune, it would be such an easy adjustment (if stuck with 400-410rwhp & running a 10.9 afr)to pick up aleast 25rwhp on the stock tune.

Well when you get your car tuned and if youknow how and want to make timing and fuel adjustmentstell your tunerto putthose parameters on the tune per your X Cal 2.


Not all tuners put those parameters( T+fuel) for FI carsin the tune thatloads on your X cal.

Of course I don't recommend anyone doing this unless you know what your doing (or feel comfortable)but it is kind of easy and you must have a wideband (for the AFR) to do this.

 

Well you just confirmed to me now that the Whipple stock tune total timing is around 19*!

I read it was on another forum but this was by a guy running a Saleen S/C who said he talked to Dustin and that is what Dustin told him so I was taking this Saleen owners word.

On coping a tune:

I didn't say we could transfer toour X Cal 2ourselves in my earlier post buthave a tuner get itandthen one could thenget it from the tuner onfor thierX Cal2 to tweak the FRPP tune. I had talk to a tuner awhile ago and some tuners (with the right software/tools)he said can get the tune offyour (PCM/computer) car. Say you had your car tuned by ABCPerformance and you take your car toXYZ Tuningfrom what I was told it can be copied (ABC Tune)from yourcar and then he canload itto a X Cal 2and loaded on another car (ifsame setup)if they have thesoftware/tools to do it..

Now can the FRPP tune be copied I am not positive as I didn't ask that questionbut if the above is possible I would think maybe it might be possible. I will be talking with a tuner soon so I will add this to my list questions for him to see if he knows if that would be possible or not.


I was just thinking out loud when I posted this thought in the previous post but would be nice for someif thatspossible.

 

Ok question here yes I have seen people claim that and higher on a stock tune and I am not saying its not true.I was wondering would you happen to have any links to members here (or other forums)that posted a dyno with those kind of numbers460rwhp or higheron a stock Whipple tune as I wouldlikesee it?

I have a hard time believing it even if I see a dyno sheet (still like to see it) because its hard to believe we see a 60 or 60+rwhp difference from people, I could see 20-30rwhp but 60 is killing me.

 

60 whp could be the combination of bad tuned dyno and temp. another reason maybe that car x runs 11.5 afr while car z runs 10.5 afr on the same tune due to what ever reason. another question maybe is what is the total boost you are running on that day. with my turbo exp my car will pull 1-2 psi more on a cool day as compared to a day over 80 deg. this also changes my afr a little as well. when its 50 i get a higher (lean) afr then at the warmer temp. my turbo car is runing a maf setup not to far fetched from the mustang crowd. used to have a cobra maf on it

 

I wish I had a link, but I can tell you for sure that there is video of a whipple ho with the FRPP tune putting 465 hp to the wheels on youtube. If you google whipple dyno results, you'llprobably find a lot of them.

 

Ok I totaly agree with a dyno calbration, the afr I have seen have all been pretty rich I don't think I have seen any 11.6's -11.9'sfrom the canned the stock Whipple tunes but at the same time only seen a handful. I know on a cold day you make more boost I haveheard 1/2 -3/4 on theseTS but not 1-2psi onthese TS lke your turbo. The Whipple HO hits 10.7 and 2psi would put it at almost 13psi your turbo might be different and Ihavent heard or seen anyone say they seen thier Whipplehit 12-13psi per thier gauge or per dyno.

Yeah I agree with the slightlyleaner in cold weather that has happenedto me with myS/C per afr gauge but your only talking instead of 11.5 maybe 11.8. You make a lot of good points and I agree with you to a certain extent. But with this TS to many things have to allhappen all at onceper your aboveat one time to get 60rwhp+. I could see maybe one or two at the same time per your abovebut that would not be worth 60+rwhp difference.

Thats why I said I could see maybe 20-30rwhp but 60+rwhp kills me but I am open to try to understand this but rememeber also this is a canned so parameters are not going to vary that much car to car.

It just seems the guys here that go to well know tuners thier dynos are 400-410rwhp from the last 4 dynos I have seen recently.

 

Yeah I even posted here (black GT)of one hitting 487rwhp on you tube (maybe thats the one your thinking of )with a stock Whipple tune the guy himself seemed like he didn't believe the dyno.

I just like to see some dyno sheets posted here or at another ( which I am not saying thereare none just like to see them)forum from members that shows 465rwhp+ on a stock Whipple tune just for my own eyes.

Just for the record I know dyno sheets are to be taken with a grain of salt per say but at the same timeones from well know tuners or shops hold more weight imo.