Turbo or Supercharger & witch brand?
04-24-2008, 08:30 AM
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RE: TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER & WITCH BRAND
From your original questions, it seems you have a lot of research to do. Many things would need to be considered before you could confidently decide what would be best for your car. Time, money, and purpose would be three things I would start with.
This forum could be your best resource for information, as there isn't much these folks haven't done. Get yourself more honed in on what you'd like to accomplish, and you'll get some more specific answers and invaluable help from these guys.
best of luck s ~
This forum could be your best resource for information, as there isn't much these folks haven't done. Get yourself more honed in on what you'd like to accomplish, and you'll get some more specific answers and invaluable help from these guys.
best of luck s ~
04-24-2008, 10:14 AM
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RE: TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER & WITCH BRAND
ORIGINAL: moosestang
No one but you believes that one. Even I know a KB will make more power than a whipple or saleen with the same sized pulley. I could easily say the whipple makes more boost with the same size pulley as a saleen. This is FUD at it's finest.
ORIGINAL: sactown
I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.
I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.
What is FUD?
04-24-2008, 10:47 AM
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RE: TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER & WITCH BRAND
ORIGINAL: sactown
If you would have read the thread correctly, I do not mention pulley size any where. What I said is that it seems to me that the people running whipples and KB's need to run more boost to make similiar HP numbers, as the folks running Saleen SC's at low boost levels. It is true that the whipples and KB will make more boost thana Saleen SC with a similiar size pulley, but at the same time IMO,from reading, and posts onthis forum it seems that the whipples and KB's are not making a significant amount of additional HP with that extra boost. That could be due to the design difference between the SC's. The whipple and KB's design allows them to run a much higher overall boost level, but this design could be affecting their performance at lower boost levels, while the Saleen SC cannot reach the same boost levels as the whipple and KB because of its design, it does appear to be more efficent at lower boost levels. And there is other contributing factors to performance also, but I am just talking about the SC's in general. This is just my opinon, I am not a researcher and am not going to do the research, and I know you will never agree with me and I don't expect you to.
What is FUD?
ORIGINAL: moosestang
No one but you believes that one. Even I know a KB will make more power than a whipple or saleen with the same sized pulley. I could easily say the whipple makes more boost with the same size pulley as a saleen. This is FUD at it's finest.
ORIGINAL: sactown
I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.
I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.
What is FUD?
FUD is fear, uncertainty and doubt. Whipple doesn't offer a 6.5psi intercooled options, but the non-intercooled kit has shown over 400rwhp on the dyno. KB sells a 5psi non-intercooled kit with a claimed 401rwhp. So you don't think a tuner could squeeze out another 37rwhp by adding 1.5psi and an intercooler?
You can't look at some dyno sheet from BFE and make such an assumption. You really can't compare time slips unless they are from the same track on the same day.
You really think an intercooled KB 3v running 6.5psi can't make your claimed 438rwhp in your sig, really?
Here's what I think. I think any of these blowers will make similar numbers with the same amount of boost, but the KB will be slightly ahead of the game because of it's size. All the big online tuners seemed to back up what I think. They just don't offer 6.5psi kits because everyone is running atleast 8.
I think any whipple HO on this site will beat you in a roll race because there's no way you are making the same power. Now put on a 3.4 inch pulley and it's a drivers race atleast.
By all means keep spreading the FUD, but don't think i'm not going to call you on it. I'm surprised no one else said anything. Maybe they didn't want to debate it with you or just don't care, IDK.
04-24-2008, 11:11 AM
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RE: TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER & WITCH BRAND
Okay fine.
w-h-i-p-p-l-e....
Seriously the first poster should research it some more and determine what he really needs.
There is no doubt any of the major forced induction kits can do what you need them to do.
I was just surprised to hear there are shops down there that think that the Whipple wouldn't do the trick. Whimples are good stuff!
w-h-i-p-p-l-e....
Seriously the first poster should research it some more and determine what he really needs.
There is no doubt any of the major forced induction kits can do what you need them to do.
I was just surprised to hear there are shops down there that think that the Whipple wouldn't do the trick. Whimples are good stuff!
04-24-2008, 11:27 AM
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RE: TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER & WITCH BRAND
+1
ORIGINAL: moosestang
FUD is fear, uncertainty and doubt. Whipple doesn't offer a 6.5psi intercooled options, but the non-intercooled kit has shown over 400rwhp on the dyno. KB sells a 5psi non-intercooled kit with a claimed 401rwhp. So you don't think a tuner could squeeze out another 37rwhp by adding 1.5psi and an intercooler?
You can't look at some dyno sheet from BFE and make such an assumption. You really can't compare time slips unless they are from the same track on the same day.
You really think an intercooled KB 3v running 6.5psi can't make your claimed 438rwhp in your sig, really?
Here's what I think. I think any of these blowers will make similar numbers with the same amount of boost, but the KB will be slightly ahead of the game because of it's size. All the big online tuners seemed to back up what I think. They just don't offer 6.5psi kits because everyone is running atleast 8.
I think any whipple HO on this site will beat you in a roll race because there's no way you are making the same power. Now put on a 3.4 inch pulley and it's a drivers race atleast.
By all means keep spreading the FUD, but don't think i'm not going to call you on it. I'm surprised no one else said anything. Maybe they didn't want to debate it with you or just don't care, IDK.
ORIGINAL: sactown
If you would have read the thread correctly, I do not mention pulley size any where. What I said is that it seems to me that the people running whipples and KB's need to run more boost to make similiar HP numbers, as the folks running Saleen SC's at low boost levels. It is true that the whipples and KB will make more boost thana Saleen SC with a similiar size pulley, but at the same time IMO,from reading, and posts onthis forum it seems that the whipples and KB's are not making a significant amount of additional HP with that extra boost. That could be due to the design difference between the SC's. The whipple and KB's design allows them to run a much higher overall boost level, but this design could be affecting their performance at lower boost levels, while the Saleen SC cannot reach the same boost levels as the whipple and KB because of its design, it does appear to be more efficent at lower boost levels. And there is other contributing factors to performance also, but I am just talking about the SC's in general. This is just my opinon, I am not a researcher and am not going to do the research, and I know you will never agree with me and I don't expect you to.
What is FUD?
ORIGINAL: moosestang
No one but you believes that one. Even I know a KB will make more power than a whipple or saleen with the same sized pulley. I could easily say the whipple makes more boost with the same size pulley as a saleen. This is FUD at it's finest.
ORIGINAL: sactown
I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.
I went with the Saleen SC/475hp upgraded, IMO its the best and most effiecent SC on the market if you compare rwhp numbers, I am making as much HP as most the guys with Whimples and KB SC that are running 10psi of boost and I am only running 6.5psi.
What is FUD?
FUD is fear, uncertainty and doubt. Whipple doesn't offer a 6.5psi intercooled options, but the non-intercooled kit has shown over 400rwhp on the dyno. KB sells a 5psi non-intercooled kit with a claimed 401rwhp. So you don't think a tuner could squeeze out another 37rwhp by adding 1.5psi and an intercooler?
You can't look at some dyno sheet from BFE and make such an assumption. You really can't compare time slips unless they are from the same track on the same day.
You really think an intercooled KB 3v running 6.5psi can't make your claimed 438rwhp in your sig, really?
Here's what I think. I think any of these blowers will make similar numbers with the same amount of boost, but the KB will be slightly ahead of the game because of it's size. All the big online tuners seemed to back up what I think. They just don't offer 6.5psi kits because everyone is running atleast 8.
I think any whipple HO on this site will beat you in a roll race because there's no way you are making the same power. Now put on a 3.4 inch pulley and it's a drivers race atleast.
By all means keep spreading the FUD, but don't think i'm not going to call you on it. I'm surprised no one else said anything. Maybe they didn't want to debate it with you or just don't care, IDK.
04-24-2008, 01:51 PM
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RE: TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER & WITCH BRAND
Forget about brand names for now. Do some basic research on forced induction (FI)which should include supercharging and turbocharging. Develop some short/long term goals for the car, and decide which mode of FI will bestmatch those goals.
04-24-2008, 03:41 PM
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RE: TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER & WITCH BRAND
Money isn't the issue. Time is just that time on figuring out what I want to get out of if. What I am thinking is as much power to the rear wheels as possible with the stock bottom end without blowing it up. I am wanting that seat of the pants throw you back as soon as I hit the gas... I like fast & I like fun. I wont be out drag racing it every saturday night. but I want it fast if I decide to. I would also like to spank a vetts ***!!!!!! as far as a Turbo I don't want to loose the V8 sound. Some kits will let you keep your Exuast.. I owned a Custom shop for 10 years Had a Paxton supercharger on a 94 Chevy truck... How mush Have they changed since then???
Thank you..
P.S. I really want advise on the superchargersmore than Turbo. I know how to Do motor work its just thes new STANGS are very sinsitive!!!!
Thank you..
P.S. I really want advise on the superchargersmore than Turbo. I know how to Do motor work its just thes new STANGS are very sinsitive!!!!
04-24-2008, 04:48 PM
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RE: TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER & WITCH BRAND
Here is a vidoe of me and Simon1 at sac raceway, my mustang is black with a Saleen SC, his is white with a rear mounted STS turbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JfNwwO2sko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JfNwwO2sko