A few questions about nitrous before I pull the trigger.
07-01-2008, 09:24 AM
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A few questions about nitrous before I pull the trigger.
New to the board, will post pics once I got something worth showing you guys. Currently have a 06 GT (tungsten gray). Only mods are Mac axle backs, GT 500 style spoiler, C&L CAI along with SCT tuner from Doug at Bamachips. Im currently running the 93 race tune. Now Im considering my next mod to be a poweradder. I considered super chargers and turbos and although I realize they make impressive power, this is my DD and I cant afford the hit in MPG(nor the uprfront cost to be honest). Am I correct in thinking that? Is it more or less impossible to preserve current MPG while diriving a FI mustang gingerly? Im also apprehensive about the aditional wear and tear from a FI system since it is working all the time, while nitrous (if Im understanding correctly?) only puts stress on the engine while your spraying. I would like to know what kit you guys think is best? Im pretty confident I am going to go with the Zex kit offered by Doug. I emailed him a few days ago with questions but have yet to get a response. Im confused about how the tune situation works. Will the car behave just as it does now on the 93 race tune, up untill I arm the system? or will the tune have to be different causing the tune to not make as much power when not spraying as it did before. Do I need to go to colder plugs if I dont want to go over an 100 shot? I plan to add two gauges to the cockpit. AFR and bottle pressure seem to be the most popular, opinions? Also, what is an officer going to want to see in the event I get pulled over to prove the system was not in use. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Looking to do this all as safe and responsibly as possible. Im a bit nervous about this entire undertaking, but you know what they say about the relationship between risk and gain!
07-01-2008, 09:35 AM
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RE: A few questions about nitrous before I pull the trigger.
I considered super chargers and turbos and although I realize they make impressive power, this is my DD and I cant afford the hit in MPG(nor the uprfront cost to be honest)
A centrifugal supercharger or a turbo builds boost as your RPM goes up, so again you will not be underboost until higher RPM.
Yes there is a higher cost up front for a supercharger. It is way better than nitrous though for the street. When you run N2O you need to have the bottle full, you need to have the valve open and the bottle heater on. You only get 5-6 runs on a 10 LB bottle and the last few runs just plain suck compared to the first two. It cost 45.00 a bottle to fill a 10 LB bottle by me.
So there is a lot of cost to run the N2O if you spray a lot.
The three biggest problems with nitrous:
1) paying for refills and having to refill every 6 runs.
2) nitrous backfires (nasty)
3) not having the bottle open when you need it
With that said if you want to spray run HT0 plugs, gap them down and get a hendheld tuner so you can take out some timing advance when spraying.
You should get a dyno tune for spraying and one for no spray.
The dyno tune will have less timing advance.
07-01-2008, 09:45 AM
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RE: A few questions about nitrous before I pull the trigger.
ORIGINAL: Mustangarrett
New to the board, will post pics once I got something worth showing you guys. Currently have a 06 GT (tungsten gray). Only mods are Mac axle backs, GT 500 style spoiler, C&L CAI along with SCT tuner from Doug at Bamachips. Im currently running the 93 race tune. Now Im considering my next mod to be a poweradder. I considered super chargers and turbos and although I realize they make impressive power, this is my DD and I cant afford the hit in MPG(nor the uprfront cost to be honest). Am I correct in thinking that? Is it more or less impossible to preserve current MPG while diriving a FI mustang gingerly? Im also apprehensive about the aditional wear and tear from a FI system since it is working all the time, while nitrous (if Im understanding correctly?) only puts stress on the engine while your spraying. I would like to know what kit you guys think is best? Im pretty confident I am going to go with the Zex kit offered by Doug. I emailed him a few days ago with questions but have yet to get a response. Im confused about how the tune situation works. Will the car behave just as it does now on the 93 race tune, up untill I arm the system? or will the tune have to be different causing the tune to not make as much power when not spraying as it did before. Do I need to go to colder plugs if I dont want to go over an 100 shot? I plan to add two gauges to the cockpit. AFR and bottle pressure seem to be the most popular, opinions? Also, what is an officer going to want to see in the event I get pulled over to prove the system was not in use. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Looking to do this all as safe and responsibly as possible. Im a bit nervous about this entire undertaking, but you know what they say about the relationship between risk and gain!
New to the board, will post pics once I got something worth showing you guys. Currently have a 06 GT (tungsten gray). Only mods are Mac axle backs, GT 500 style spoiler, C&L CAI along with SCT tuner from Doug at Bamachips. Im currently running the 93 race tune. Now Im considering my next mod to be a poweradder. I considered super chargers and turbos and although I realize they make impressive power, this is my DD and I cant afford the hit in MPG(nor the uprfront cost to be honest). Am I correct in thinking that? Is it more or less impossible to preserve current MPG while diriving a FI mustang gingerly? Im also apprehensive about the aditional wear and tear from a FI system since it is working all the time, while nitrous (if Im understanding correctly?) only puts stress on the engine while your spraying. I would like to know what kit you guys think is best? Im pretty confident I am going to go with the Zex kit offered by Doug. I emailed him a few days ago with questions but have yet to get a response. Im confused about how the tune situation works. Will the car behave just as it does now on the 93 race tune, up untill I arm the system? or will the tune have to be different causing the tune to not make as much power when not spraying as it did before. Do I need to go to colder plugs if I dont want to go over an 100 shot? I plan to add two gauges to the cockpit. AFR and bottle pressure seem to be the most popular, opinions? Also, what is an officer going to want to see in the event I get pulled over to prove the system was not in use. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Looking to do this all as safe and responsibly as possible. Im a bit nervous about this entire undertaking, but you know what they say about the relationship between risk and gain!
The myth of a supercharger yeilding worse MPG is false, the only way a supercharger or turbocharger will yield less MPG is if you drive like a maniac, which is prone to happen since you would have like 200 more engine hp under the hood. If you decide to purchase a supercharger, I recommend Whipple. Just drive normal and your MPG should stay intact.
Any kind of FI puts stress on the engine, but it is a matter of PSI in Forced Induction, but THE most important factor deciding if the engine goes KABOOM or it doesn't, special emphasis in this THE TUNE. Remember this weather you go with Forced Induction or Nitrous and you should have a long lasting engine and still have peace in your mind daily driving it. I would recommend with Forced Induction, a dyno tune, from your local preffered performance shop (it costs like 300 bucks). With spray, you just need to give Doug a call and tell him about it, he should send you the tune, and you would be ok.
With a 100 shot, HT0's are a must, do not forget this. As for your gauge desicion, I would choose, AFR and FUEL PRESSURE. Personal choice, but it's up to you. And remember, a GOOD nitrous set up is not only the zex kit offered by doug, you will also need:
Bottle heater, Blow down tube, Fuel Pressure regulator switch, Colder plugs, Good AFR gauge (wideband, not narrowband), etc.
A perfect nitrous setup should be like 1500 - 2000 bucks.
And remember, nitrous, it's not eternal. Everytime you want to fill up, expect to pay 3-5 bucks per LB, a bottle, with a 100 shot, will only last you like 5-7 passes on the 1/4 mile.
hope this helps, any more questions, feel free to post.
07-01-2008, 10:26 AM
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RE: A few questions about nitrous before I pull the trigger.
Thanks a lot for the input/welcome, its much appriciated. Im not exactly sure where I got the idea that FI= significant loss in MPG, but it seemed to be the general consensus during my lurking... expect 3-5mpg hit. I would love to be mistaken about this. If I was to scratch the n20 idea and save for say, Brenspeeds Stage 1 Saleen kit (I live in nothern IL, so they are fairly close), would I be able to still get 23-25mpg on the hiway? I understand I would have to behave in order to achieve good milage, but as long as Im not driving faster than the rest of traffic... Im also very concerned about wear and tear. Will a Mustang with that Saleen kit (or a more reliable kit Im not aware of?) last well over 100k miles? I guess my overall goal is 400+ hp to the wheels for some fun from time to time and the peece of mind knowing its there, while also maintaining reliability and driveability. I still need to be able to lend it to my mother from time to time when she is in town. Thanks a lot!
07-01-2008, 01:14 PM
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RE: A few questions about nitrous before I pull the trigger.
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Thanks a lot for the input/welcome, its much appriciated. Im not exactly sure where I got the idea that FI= significant loss in MPG, but it seemed to be the general consensus during my lurking... expect 3-5mpg hit. I would love to be mistaken about this. If I was to scratch the n20 idea and save for say, Brenspeeds Stage 1 Saleen kit (I live in nothern IL, so they are fairly close), would I be able to still get 23-25mpg on the hiway? I understand I would have to behave in order to achieve good milage, but as long as Im not driving faster than the rest of traffic... Im also very concerned about wear and tear. Will a Mustang with that Saleen kit (or a more reliable kit Im not aware of?) last well over 100k miles? I guess my overall goal is 400+ hp to the wheels for some fun from time to time and the peece of mind knowing its there, while also maintaining reliability and driveability. I still need to be able to lend it to my mother from time to time when she is in town. Thanks a lot!
Thanks a lot for the input/welcome, its much appriciated. Im not exactly sure where I got the idea that FI= significant loss in MPG, but it seemed to be the general consensus during my lurking... expect 3-5mpg hit. I would love to be mistaken about this. If I was to scratch the n20 idea and save for say, Brenspeeds Stage 1 Saleen kit (I live in nothern IL, so they are fairly close), would I be able to still get 23-25mpg on the hiway? I understand I would have to behave in order to achieve good milage, but as long as Im not driving faster than the rest of traffic... Im also very concerned about wear and tear. Will a Mustang with that Saleen kit (or a more reliable kit Im not aware of?) last well over 100k miles? I guess my overall goal is 400+ hp to the wheels for some fun from time to time and the peece of mind knowing its there, while also maintaining reliability and driveability. I still need to be able to lend it to my mother from time to time when she is in town. Thanks a lot!
07-01-2008, 05:06 PM
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RE: A few questions about nitrous before I pull the trigger.
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You will use more gas w/ FI because you will be stomping the gas more.
You will use more gas w/ FI because you will be stomping the gas more.
07-01-2008, 05:18 PM
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RE: A few questions about nitrous before I pull the trigger.
Yes, but what is the point of spending that kind of money just to drive like grandma? You gotta pay to play.. With an SC you will need a new clutch within a month, also better tires and suspension to hook up etc. Plus your chances of having to pay to fix something go up.
The main thing stopping most of us from buying an SC is the risk factor. If the car is your DD and you barely have enough money to cover the initial cost of an SC or nitrous I would just forget about it. Stick with the little things like an intake/tune and gears. Wait until you have another car that is cheap on gas and have money saved then start getting some serious mods. Trust me it won't stop once you get an SC. You will want a new pulley and tune soon after that and so on.
The main thing stopping most of us from buying an SC is the risk factor. If the car is your DD and you barely have enough money to cover the initial cost of an SC or nitrous I would just forget about it. Stick with the little things like an intake/tune and gears. Wait until you have another car that is cheap on gas and have money saved then start getting some serious mods. Trust me it won't stop once you get an SC. You will want a new pulley and tune soon after that and so on.
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But as long as I keep my foot out of it, the car should behave just as it does today?
ORIGINAL: Vapour Trails
You will use more gas w/ FI because you will be stomping the gas more.
You will use more gas w/ FI because you will be stomping the gas more.
07-01-2008, 07:28 PM
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RE: A few questions about nitrous before I pull the trigger.
I understand your reasoning, but its just about getting good milage on my commute to and from school (35min each way, m-f). I could care less if the car gets under 6mpg around town, I just dont want to find myself in a situation where my car gets just as bad of fuel milage as my previous vehicle, a 99' F150 also with a 4.6l. If I can still get decent milage on the highway (20+mpg) with a supercharger, I think Im going to save my money up for the saleen and hold off on the n20. If any members running the Saleen (or similar) kits care to chime in with their achieved highway MPG, it would be much appriciated. Thanks