There has been considerable discussion regarding upgraded cams for the 2005 mustang gt and wanted to know peoples opinions here. The company is blow-by racing. If you haven't heard of it, the discussion is at the 'other' board and appears to be discussing new cams, heads, long-tube headers, and valve timing and getting almost an additional 140+hp. This is NA.

Any thoughts?

 

i dont know if this is true but i can find out for you. Its like 2 min from my school

 

They have stated that they got 45rwhp from the CnC ported heads, another 30rwhp from a tune on the cams and no hard data yet on the newer cams. Three levels will be available soon. Still waiting on the Dyno numbers.

 

75rwhp for $825+tune? That would be fantastic.

How much would it cost, generally, in labor to install them?

 

Hi GW,

I was originally going to go the NA route and had a good start with the mods I installed in anticipation of doing head work and cams to top off the 3-valve heads. But I realized that blower technology has exploded and is a source of very cheap power now because everybody and his dog is building blower kits these days. I've already spent some money on mods and have changed my mind and will go with Saleen's bigger blower kit once it comes out as a complete kit as opposed to an add-on to the standard production kits.

"Fantastic," that's the problem, the claims by Blow-By-Racing are "fantastic", unbeliveable and unsubstantiated. Doing the math the porting work on the 3 valve heads is going to cost about $2K delivered, plus the cost of the cam regrinds on your stock cores at about $850 plus the cost of R&R for the heads at about $800 plus the "magic" tune that they are claiming is going to net 30 HP from cam timming which is some unspecified amount. A realistic HP number for the head port work and reground cams is going to be more like 45-60 RWHP assumming that you are going with a cam profile that does not give up any midrange torque to get a higher RPM HP number. I'll take more torque over high RPM HP ANY DAY! So for about $3,700 plus something (typically about $500-$750), for a real custom dyno tune figure you can get a good honest 60RWHP or so for about what, almost $4,500?

It just doesn't add up, for that kind of money you might just as well go buy a Saleen blower and have it installed or do it yourself, it's a simple bolt on that you should be able to complete in your garage in one long day or a day and a half if you talke your time and enjoy the install. The Saleen blower BTW is a known good item and is good even for a car in stock tune for about 400-430RWHP (140-170HP over a stock GT 5speed), with big torque numbers even at low RPM, PLUS you get a warranty!

GW, if you buy a Saleen blower email me and I'll help you do the install in my garage this winter or next spring. I'm in the process of dry walling my garage and I have plenty of tools, a big air compressor with air tools and a fridge (a Gladiator Freezerator actually), that will be kept full of beer (wrenching is thirsty work), once I get the dry wall and cabinets in.

HTH

 

Well said!

 

That sounds good to me. What is the added cost of the injectors and MAF (if needed with CAI)?

 

F1Fan, your comments and math may be well-founded but it's only fair that ppl know that you are also the numero uno cynic of the 400+ BBR is expecting. I for one agree with the blower route (for now). But once a streetable combo is out I'd be more willing to shell out $2k or so for 400 proven than $6k for the blower kit. Again you may be right on the money about BBR's pipe dream but time will tell.

 

blackend,

How did you get only $2,000? Adding it all up, $1,800 for CNCing YOUR heads, $850 for a regrind of YOUR cams, about $800 for labor for a straight R&R of completed heads and god only knows how much for the magic tune (like I said, typical for a real tuner runs $500-$800), once it's all installed and that's assumming that you can trust them to provide a tune that is safe on your car sight unseen.

The reason you are saying my comments and math are well founded are because they are realistic, not some B.S. voodoo fiction made up by some shop that wants to create a buzz about themselves to generate business on empty promises because you want to believe in the magic. I have news for you, there IS NO MAGIC BULLET that will give you a completely streetable 4.6l 3valve Mustang GT with 425-450RWHP per their wild claims. If there was people wouldn't be selling blowers to make that much power. Where's your common sense?

HTH

 

OMG blackend,

I was just out watering the plants when it hit me that if the BBR car made "only" 425RWHP as they claim it will that means that the engine is conservatively making well over 500HP at the crank. That comes to about 1.8HP per cube or 2/3 of the HP per cube of an F1 engine turning almost 20,000RPM. IMO that would be one HELL of a N/A street engine! Most good blown street engines can barely make 2HP per cube. I wish I had these guys imagination, I could make a fortune selling ideas like these.

Man, all those drugs I took in the 60's turned out to be good for something after all. It's moments like this that make me chuckle out loud and people on the street stop to stare and point at me. LOL!

Cheers