Chevy Coming Out With Camero Again!
08-12-2004, 12:02 PM
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RE: Chevy Coming Out With Camero Again!
Never said anything about who 'invented' what here it is just seeming to me that GM seems to be getting more interested in being a finance company or a mortgage banker than they are in building some neat cars like we know they can.
I've studied the history of the american auto business quite a little in the past 25 years or so and it sort of appears to me that the sales/finance types have been in charge of things since at least the mid-sixties. Estes may have been the last one to actually come from the plant side of the thing to be able to run things. Deloran had some cool ideas but at the wrong time.
Don't even worry about langauges spoken in the labs as you'll find plenty of German, Nipponese, Italian, and lots of others there. Seems to be the world we've inherited...
I've studied the history of the american auto business quite a little in the past 25 years or so and it sort of appears to me that the sales/finance types have been in charge of things since at least the mid-sixties. Estes may have been the last one to actually come from the plant side of the thing to be able to run things. Deloran had some cool ideas but at the wrong time.
Don't even worry about langauges spoken in the labs as you'll find plenty of German, Nipponese, Italian, and lots of others there. Seems to be the world we've inherited...
08-12-2004, 12:09 PM
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RE: Chevy Coming Out With Camero Again!
Also, Ford has been tooled for the pushrod type motor for years so I think that part of the reason could be cost here.
Ford is a business with a lot of stockholders that like a profit each quarter. I sure wonder what sort of stuff they could build if they didn't have such restraints put on them and good really start with a clean sheet of paper.
The 'Windsor' small block design goes back to about 1959 probably when all the designers had to work with was a slide rule.......
Ford is a business with a lot of stockholders that like a profit each quarter. I sure wonder what sort of stuff they could build if they didn't have such restraints put on them and good really start with a clean sheet of paper.
The 'Windsor' small block design goes back to about 1959 probably when all the designers had to work with was a slide rule.......
08-12-2004, 06:09 PM
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RE: Chevy Coming Out With Camero Again!
ORIGINAL: 04ShakinSteed
OMG! please don't say that is retro anything...the Thunderbird was just a new design on Fords part...totally backfired on them. Very sad.
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But wasn't the retro Thunderbird out before the SST?
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Or is it Ford copying GM since the SST was designed and on the market first?
Or is it Ford copying GM since the SST was designed and on the market first?
08-12-2004, 10:48 PM
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RE: Chevy Coming Out With Camero Again!
ORIGINAL: 04ShakinSteed
You really think a Mach 1 is really at it's rated 305 Hp???? At Mach1registry, people have been getting dynoed on a stock set up at abput 285-290 hp to the rear wheels
ORIGINAL: 98LS1
More than the Mach....and even to an N/A Cobra. 320hp.
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Sure...Use my line...
Besides. For the record, the Caddy is a 4V 4.6, that would make it LESS hp then the pre 03 Cobra, or the Mach 1.
Sure...Use my line...
Besides. For the record, the Caddy is a 4V 4.6, that would make it LESS hp then the pre 03 Cobra, or the Mach 1.
You really think a Mach 1 is really at it's rated 305 Hp???? At Mach1registry, people have been getting dynoed on a stock set up at abput 285-290 hp to the rear wheels
They're almost making auto LS1 power. Sweet.
It still should have wore the GT label.
About the OHC motor being used because of cost....it cost MORE to make the OHC motors....
08-13-2004, 12:13 AM
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RE: Chevy Coming Out With Camero Again!
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Really? A lot of the dyno's I've seen have been pretty right on the number from Ford. Maybe they were auto's....? I'm assuming these are M5 Mach's?
They're almost making auto LS1 power. Sweet.
It still should have wore the GT label.
About the OHC motor being used because of cost....it cost MORE to make the OHC motors....
ORIGINAL: 04ShakinSteed
You really think a Mach 1 is really at it's rated 305 Hp???? At Mach1registry, people have been getting dynoed on a stock set up at abput 285-290 hp to the rear wheels
ORIGINAL: 98LS1
More than the Mach....and even to an N/A Cobra. 320hp.
ORIGINAL: sidewayz4.6
Sure...Use my line...
Besides. For the record, the Caddy is a 4V 4.6, that would make it LESS hp then the pre 03 Cobra, or the Mach 1.
Sure...Use my line...
Besides. For the record, the Caddy is a 4V 4.6, that would make it LESS hp then the pre 03 Cobra, or the Mach 1.
You really think a Mach 1 is really at it's rated 305 Hp???? At Mach1registry, people have been getting dynoed on a stock set up at abput 285-290 hp to the rear wheels
They're almost making auto LS1 power. Sweet.
It still should have wore the GT label.
About the OHC motor being used because of cost....it cost MORE to make the OHC motors....
Ford. Maybe they were auto's....? I'm assuming these are M5 Mach's?
The numbers are very consistant down the line...that is why there is no way that the Mach is putting out 305 at the flywheel...more like 330.
08-13-2004, 12:16 AM
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RE: Chevy Coming Out With Camero Again!
Well hell, sounds like if you have a manual, you're putting down as much power as me, stock for stock.
What all have you got done to "teh Mach" anyhow? Those things are kickass. My GF is looking through an autotrader right now and found one for 26k.....I was like, jebus.
What all have you got done to "teh Mach" anyhow? Those things are kickass. My GF is looking through an autotrader right now and found one for 26k.....I was like, jebus.
08-20-2004, 03:02 PM
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RE: Chevy Coming Out With Camero Again!
ORIGINAL: 04ShakinSteed
The numbers are very consistant down the line...that is why there is no way that the Mach is putting out 305 at the flywheel...more like 330.
ORIGINAL: 98LS1
Really? A lot of the dyno's I've seen have been pretty right on the number from Ford. Maybe they were auto's....? I'm assuming these are M5 Mach's?
They're almost making auto LS1 power. Sweet.
It still should have wore the GT label.
About the OHC motor being used because of cost....it cost MORE to make the OHC motors....
ORIGINAL: 04ShakinSteed
You really think a Mach 1 is really at it's rated 305 Hp???? At Mach1registry, people have been getting dynoed on a stock set up at abput 285-290 hp to the rear wheels
ORIGINAL: 98LS1
More than the Mach....and even to an N/A Cobra. 320hp.
ORIGINAL: sidewayz4.6
Sure...Use my line...
Besides. For the record, the Caddy is a 4V 4.6, that would make it LESS hp then the pre 03 Cobra, or the Mach 1.
Sure...Use my line...
Besides. For the record, the Caddy is a 4V 4.6, that would make it LESS hp then the pre 03 Cobra, or the Mach 1.
You really think a Mach 1 is really at it's rated 305 Hp???? At Mach1registry, people have been getting dynoed on a stock set up at abput 285-290 hp to the rear wheels
They're almost making auto LS1 power. Sweet.
It still should have wore the GT label.
About the OHC motor being used because of cost....it cost MORE to make the OHC motors....
Ford. Maybe they were auto's....? I'm assuming these are M5 Mach's?
The numbers are very consistant down the line...that is why there is no way that the Mach is putting out 305 at the flywheel...more like 330.
I just wanted to keep the mega quote posts going.
That is all.
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