Parish vs Eclipse
05-16-2005, 11:36 PM
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
clemson5.9L, do you go to clemson or is that just a favorite school or somethin? i'm from gville and used to go out there a lot for the auto-x races. anyway...back on topic...this whole thing is lame...mod, please kill this thread!!! there's no telling how many times this stupid topic has been brought up...please, give it a rest.
05-17-2005, 12:18 AM
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
Power to weight ratio fellas.. what do your mustangs weigh? 3400 pounds or something? a late model CRX weighs in at 1800 - 1900 pounds... do a motor swap from a LS Vtec and turbo it.... your smokin, not to mention if you take out the back seats and alot of other little goodies you dont need to make it even lighter then it already is
05-17-2005, 01:12 AM
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
blah blah blah, ls vtec turbo is boring...d16 (now non-vtec) turbo is where it's at 
cough, for sale, cough...cough???
edit-and since when did you care about power/weight??? i believe you were the one saying evo this and sti that...??? those are no light weights.
cough, for sale, cough...cough??? edit-and since when did you care about power/weight??? i believe you were the one saying evo this and sti that...??? those are no light weights.
05-17-2005, 03:44 AM
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
ORIGINAL: 2001 GT
since this thread is too good to let die....
Joe99es I can't believe your trying to bring the "bad gas mileage" and "can't turn" excuse into this.
Thats the ultimate ricer comp out. Both are untrue but yet always try to get brought up. this was a point a to point b race. Not a race to the gas pump. You better beleive a fast 4 uses gas too. HP = fuel.
Though on the very same note, the same is to be said when somebody sees a fast import and says, "well, i bet its unreliable",, well i bet you don't know **** and are just guessing out of your ***.
are you retarded??. i post vids, websites with pictures, videos, mods, magazine articles, timeslips, and when and where info and IT'S NOT ENOUGH?? Do you need a signed affidavit and a personal ride in each car to believe them. Your disbelief shows you were at least pretty shocked when I can show you 4 cylinders that look stock, run 9's and 10's, are actually daily driven, and still weigh 3000 pounds. I got plenty more for each car, I get to see most of them every year at the dsm shootout IN PERSON. its like me saying the fastest and most well known mustang guys don't exist. The big names that you know and see in person are just lies since you can't "show me any proof". Meanwhile everybody else is saying v10>v-8 WITH NO PROOF and thats fine.
????uhh no. Only the 7 second guys are rwd. Pretty much the 8-9 second guys are awd w/ a FEW FWD guys. Did you see the tapp daily driver, I got plenty more if you need to see. None of them are gutted. A full stock interior is gutted? unstreetable? A local guy in my home town drives his 750 hp eclipse around quite often when he feels the need. The damn thing looks stock and sounds stock just driving around. I have a huge video of it I can send you since you always like proof. Sorry I can't offer you a personal ride/tour/signed affidavit/character reference/etc. I guess i could link you to local boards where every knows him.
You know, some of us own more then one car, in fact, some of us are sick and own more then 5 cars
. Some of us got a great deal from a relative that they couldn't refuse on a stang. I enjoy the car and always loved stangs, but IN MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, I would rather keep it pretty much stock and mod a 5.0/possibly 03+cobra if i wanted to mod a stang. I was just saying that theres some extremely strong 4 cylinders that mod as well as most v8s out there if not better. 3gste, sr20, 4g63 and the like. Of course you will see more fast domestics. They have a 40 year headstart in this country, outnumber the motors I listed by the millions, have a much bigger aftermarket and have corporate sponsered cars etc. I wonder if they make the same arguement in Japan. "If american v-8s are so good, how come nobody here uses them".
since this thread is too good to let die....
Joe99es I can't believe your trying to bring the "bad gas mileage" and "can't turn" excuse into this.
Thats the ultimate ricer comp out. Both are untrue but yet always try to get brought up. this was a point a to point b race. Not a race to the gas pump. You better beleive a fast 4 uses gas too. HP = fuel.
Though on the very same note, the same is to be said when somebody sees a fast import and says, "well, i bet its unreliable",, well i bet you don't know **** and are just guessing out of your ***.
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
I am glad that you can give me a bunch of videos and websites saying that they are running xx.xx times with xx mods. No pictures, no proof. BTW, my stock n/a GT ran a 11.91@20,000 MPH. Its on a web site, it must be true.
I am glad that you can give me a bunch of videos and websites saying that they are running xx.xx times with xx mods. No pictures, no proof. BTW, my stock n/a GT ran a 11.91@20,000 MPH. Its on a web site, it must be true.
BTW, after a google search, every one of the cars you mentioned under the 10 second mark is running a competely gutted interior, unstreetable setup, converted to RWD.
Seriously, if 4cyl are so great and so easy to modify, what car are you currently driving again? Whoops, kinda kicks the pants outta your argument don't it???
. Some of us got a great deal from a relative that they couldn't refuse on a stang. I enjoy the car and always loved stangs, but IN MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE, I would rather keep it pretty much stock and mod a 5.0/possibly 03+cobra if i wanted to mod a stang. I was just saying that theres some extremely strong 4 cylinders that mod as well as most v8s out there if not better. 3gste, sr20, 4g63 and the like. Of course you will see more fast domestics. They have a 40 year headstart in this country, outnumber the motors I listed by the millions, have a much bigger aftermarket and have corporate sponsered cars etc. I wonder if they make the same arguement in Japan. "If american v-8s are so good, how come nobody here uses them".
Lets see a vid of a guy running 9s on the strip, with a motor shot, and then the same guy cruising around town with the sucker, and filling it up at the gas station. It ain't gonna happen.
I am not the least suprised that 4cyl are running 9s. However, I would be suprised off my rocker if I saw anything close to a streetable true 9s car.
BTW 98LS1, there are plenty of domestic 9 second cars that are 100 percent streetable out there. MM&FF's last cobra shootout had quite a few cars in the 9s on a very streetable setup (so long as your willing to burn thru the MTs). A 408 fox with a 300 shot is easily a 9 second true daily driver, and I have no doubt there are LS1 cars with N20 that are running around town and capable of 9 second blasts.
Streetable BTW means a full interior, A/C, pump gas, tires that can drive in the rain, a car that doesn't need you to stay on the pedal to keep it running, etc etc.
Heres another question for ya: If eclipse are so badass, so easy to mod, etc, and the way that 2000SI and a few others like to post KB cobras getting beat down, where are the videos??
In fact, this is the first street vid I have seen of a decently fast eclipse, and I have almost 5 gigs of races on my hard drive alone, not to mention like 3 or 4 DVDs worth I have collected over the past 2 years. Where are all of these badass street eclipse's?
05-17-2005, 03:49 AM
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
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Power to weight ratio fellas.. what do your mustangs weigh? 3400 pounds or something? a late model CRX weighs in at 1800 - 1900 pounds... do a motor swap from a LS Vtec and turbo it.... your smokin, not to mention if you take out the back seats and alot of other little goodies you dont need to make it even lighter then it already is
Power to weight ratio fellas.. what do your mustangs weigh? 3400 pounds or something? a late model CRX weighs in at 1800 - 1900 pounds... do a motor swap from a LS Vtec and turbo it.... your smokin, not to mention if you take out the back seats and alot of other little goodies you dont need to make it even lighter then it already is
Did any of you guys talking **** about imports acutally SEE that cheesefrog vid vs the viper?? He was spinning like mad from like 50 MPH thru 3 or so gears. It's got no power at all, then BAM everything comes on all at once, and your leaving a smoke trail.
GET OVER IT. You are never going to convice anyone that 4cyl are better or cheaper to modify, because it simply isn't true. Any setup you name, any price you talk about, I can tell you a theoritcal setup that is cheaper and more streetable in a v8, because it is EASIER to make a car with alot of displacement go faster. Why do you think that LS1s are perform so much better stock than a 4.6L GT? Why do you think that they increase power so much more with even simple mods? Displacement.
05-17-2005, 02:11 PM
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
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Exactly, the STI is good at EVERYTHING, your V8's are not good for **** but going in a straight line.. go to a autocross sometime, whos winning those? all the 4 banger miatas and mx3's and proteges and such, go to the real track? A 4 banger will kill you in the turns, go to a rally event? dont even try
Exactly, the STI is good at EVERYTHING, your V8's are not good for **** but going in a straight line.. go to a autocross sometime, whos winning those? all the 4 banger miatas and mx3's and proteges and such, go to the real track? A 4 banger will kill you in the turns, go to a rally event? dont even try
05-17-2005, 02:12 PM
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
[quote]ORIGINAL: 99saleen351r
ORIGINAL: Joe99es
Exactly, the STI is good at EVERYTHING, your V8's are not good for **** but going in a straight line.. go to a autocross sometime, whos winning those? all the 4 banger miatas and mx3's and proteges and such, go to the real track? A 4 banger will kill you in the turns, go to a rally event? dont even try
Exactly, the STI is good at EVERYTHING, your V8's are not good for **** but going in a straight line.. go to a autocross sometime, whos winning those? all the 4 banger miatas and mx3's and proteges and such, go to the real track? A 4 banger will kill you in the turns, go to a rally event? dont even try
05-17-2005, 05:19 PM
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6
I clicked on every single link, and all of them are videos of cars with no engine shots. One has a mod list, the rest are plain videos. I am sorry, there is no way in christ a guy is driving a 750 HP eclipse around on street gas, espcially on anything close to the stock displacement/motor. What is he running, 40+ PSI?
Lets see a vid of a guy running 9s on the strip, with a motor shot, and then the same guy cruising around town with the sucker, and filling it up at the gas station. It ain't gonna happen.
I am not the least suprised that 4cyl are running 9s. However, I would be suprised off my rocker if I saw anything close to a streetable true 9s car.
BTW 98LS1, there are plenty of domestic 9 second cars that are 100 percent streetable out there. MM&FF's last cobra shootout had quite a few cars in the 9s on a very streetable setup (so long as your willing to burn thru the MTs). A 408 fox with a 300 shot is easily a 9 second true daily driver, and I have no doubt there are LS1 cars with N20 that are running around town and capable of 9 second blasts.
Streetable BTW means a full interior, A/C, pump gas, tires that can drive in the rain, a car that doesn't need you to stay on the pedal to keep it running, etc etc.
Heres another question for ya: If eclipse are so badass, so easy to mod, etc, and the way that 2000SI and a few others like to post KB cobras getting beat down, where are the videos??
In fact, this is the first street vid I have seen of a decently fast eclipse, and I have almost 5 gigs of races on my hard drive alone, not to mention like 3 or 4 DVDs worth I have collected over the past 2 years. Where are all of these badass street eclipse's?
I clicked on every single link, and all of them are videos of cars with no engine shots. One has a mod list, the rest are plain videos. I am sorry, there is no way in christ a guy is driving a 750 HP eclipse around on street gas, espcially on anything close to the stock displacement/motor. What is he running, 40+ PSI?
Lets see a vid of a guy running 9s on the strip, with a motor shot, and then the same guy cruising around town with the sucker, and filling it up at the gas station. It ain't gonna happen.
I am not the least suprised that 4cyl are running 9s. However, I would be suprised off my rocker if I saw anything close to a streetable true 9s car.
BTW 98LS1, there are plenty of domestic 9 second cars that are 100 percent streetable out there. MM&FF's last cobra shootout had quite a few cars in the 9s on a very streetable setup (so long as your willing to burn thru the MTs). A 408 fox with a 300 shot is easily a 9 second true daily driver, and I have no doubt there are LS1 cars with N20 that are running around town and capable of 9 second blasts.
Streetable BTW means a full interior, A/C, pump gas, tires that can drive in the rain, a car that doesn't need you to stay on the pedal to keep it running, etc etc.
Heres another question for ya: If eclipse are so badass, so easy to mod, etc, and the way that 2000SI and a few others like to post KB cobras getting beat down, where are the videos??
In fact, this is the first street vid I have seen of a decently fast eclipse, and I have almost 5 gigs of races on my hard drive alone, not to mention like 3 or 4 DVDs worth I have collected over the past 2 years. Where are all of these badass street eclipse's?
In my hometown of around 100,000 I'm the slowest out of the 5 dsm guys I know who hang out together. There all in the 11's except 1. Two of the cars are on an untouched motor w/ over 100,000 miles and the other 3 have rods/pistons after either blowing something up or just doing a fresh build. My point is they didn't have to spend 10 grand, use nitrous, build their motors, strip down, or any other thing people think an import has to do. Just a decently sized turbo, fuel pump,injectors, FMIC wideband or dsmlink and thats about it. They still weigh 3000-3200 pounds, have a full interior, and use stock tires. Then theres also the 750+ hp guy. he drives his car quite a bit but being FWD instead of AWD he's making it more into a track car. With guys running high 10's on a 100% stock 4g63 motor, stock turbos going 11.5/11.6, you can see why theres quite a few fast ones. It holds power, end of story.
All the vids I posted have their website right in the link.
for example heres the tapp auto car for example. 10.0 flat, daily driven, well known in the area. actual street tires. and it will go 9's this year after a few tweaks.
http://tappauto.com/project.cfm?ProjectID=1
yes they turn down the boost on pump gas. But on the same note theres not many 8-10 second v-8's that'll run those times off the track w/ all seasons and without track prep the way those awd cars do on the street.
Many of the fastest 4g63 motored cars are listed here (eclipse, talon,evo)
http://www.dsmtimes.org/fastest.htm
Many of the fastest Ls1's are listed here
http://ls1.com/qtrmile1.htm
I'm defintely not saying there better then an LS1 i any way, just trying to show their are alot of guys flying for a 2.0 4 banger. 1g eclipses and talons are alot like 5.0's. You can buy them for 1 grand, there kinda ugly, you can run 12's for a few hundred, stock motor can hold 500-550+whp. So when somebody says ANY v8 will always be cheaper to mod in every circumstance I'd have to call BS.
05-18-2005, 04:25 AM
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
First off the gas mileage argument is idiotic...
4 cylinders are, and have ALWAYS been made for commuters and lots of miles...
DUH a V8 is superior to a 4cyl at the race track thanks to 10X as much TQ...
...and last but not least...
That truck would have blown the doors off of that eclipse from the dig, the only reason that eclipse was still in the camera's view was because of the 4l60E Auto tranny in that silverado...
4cyl's will never catch up to the american v8... Sure you can boost 30lbs. and shoot 150HP shot of nitrous, maybe 1, 2, even 3 times.. But the N/A V8 will always prevail..
Hell, most of our 5.0's have well over 100,000 miles on them, still run 12's and 13's in the 1/4, plus still get an acceptible 17+ MPG...
4 cylinders are, and have ALWAYS been made for commuters and lots of miles...
DUH a V8 is superior to a 4cyl at the race track thanks to 10X as much TQ...
...and last but not least...
That truck would have blown the doors off of that eclipse from the dig, the only reason that eclipse was still in the camera's view was because of the 4l60E Auto tranny in that silverado...
4cyl's will never catch up to the american v8... Sure you can boost 30lbs. and shoot 150HP shot of nitrous, maybe 1, 2, even 3 times.. But the N/A V8 will always prevail..
Hell, most of our 5.0's have well over 100,000 miles on them, still run 12's and 13's in the 1/4, plus still get an acceptible 17+ MPG...
05-18-2005, 04:39 AM
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse
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4cyl's will never catch up to the american v8... Sure you can boost 30lbs. and shoot 150HP shot of nitrous, maybe 1, 2, even 3 times.. But the N/A V8 will always prevail..
4cyl's will never catch up to the american v8... Sure you can boost 30lbs. and shoot 150HP shot of nitrous, maybe 1, 2, even 3 times.. But the N/A V8 will always prevail..
Sorry, but no. Just no. Get that mentality out of your head until you start researching what a bolt on NA 1.6L Honda engine can do in a 2200 lb hatch.
oh, and a 2200 lb hatch with 400 hp is MORE than enough to take out even a blown V8. While it's not going to be true in EVERY application, it's out there and it's happening.