S197 Handling Section For everything suspension related, inlcuding brakes, tires, and wheels.

do you really need new springs for...?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 02:21 AM
  #1  
Hufenstang's Avatar
Hufenstang
Thread Starter
4th Gear Member
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,371
From: Houston
Default do you really need new springs for...?

Having 500 rwhp im just curious if you really need new springs or not for drag racing? Ive actually have some people tell me staying with the stock springs is fine and some tell me otherwise. So which is it for a drag application?
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:35 AM
  #2  
GotMunchies?'s Avatar
GotMunchies?
1st Gear Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 130
Default

In a drag racing application - rear squat is good as it transfers weight on to the back wheels, so a softer spring rate will allow that transfer. Seeing as most aftermarket springs increase the spring rate (because we don't like our cars wallowing about like drunken vagabonds), I believe you'd be better off with the stock springs. Of course, if you want to lower the car then tough ****, Shirley.

The most beneficial upgrades for drag racing could include control arms and adjustable dampers to control the axle location and weight transfer. These would also cure wheel hop.

Basic drag strategy - keep the weight on the rears and wheels on the ground (axle hop BAD)
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 02:54 PM
  #3  
Norm Peterson's Avatar
Norm Peterson
6th Gear Member
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,635
From: state of confusion
Default

Ummm, I think it's the other way around as far as the squat motion is concerned. Rearward load transfer (aka "weight transfer") is due to acceleration and causes the squat to happen. Just how much squat you get depends on several other things, springs (and shocks) being only part of the story. You still have rearward load transfer even if there is zero squat, and also even if the rear end actually rises slightly. The relation between "weight transfer" and squat confuses LOTS of people.

Really, squat is not a particularly good thing for RWD cars because one of its side effects is to let the CG drop (or at least not rise as far as it could) and another is that the rear wheels are not getting planted as quickly as they could. The first limits how much acceleration you can have before the tires are simply overwhelmed by torque and the second hurts the effectiveness of your launch. Normally, those are not winning strategies . . .

I suspect that if drag racing is top priority that rear suspension geometry and rear shock tuning is worth more than playing around with springs. Not that you wouldn't, just that they're about 3rd in line of things to do.


Norm

Last edited by Norm Peterson; Aug 21, 2008 at 03:02 PM.
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 04:07 PM
  #4  
GotMunchies?'s Avatar
GotMunchies?
1st Gear Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 130
Default

Well, I got one thing right. What I do know, is that you don't want a spring strong enough to pitch the car forward after a rear weight shift - so basically an ideal balance spring rates around the car or dampers capable of controlling the shift.

Another idea is to move the battery to the trunk - this will effectively move the center of gravity of the vehicle farther back.
Old Aug 21, 2008 | 04:16 PM
  #5  
BMRFabricationSales's Avatar
BMRFabricationSales
Former Sponsor
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 167
Default

In a drag car you don't want it to squat more than 1" in the rear, the factory mustang springs work ok for a drag application, a good set of adjustable shocks will help out more.
Old Aug 22, 2008 | 05:06 PM
  #6  
Hufenstang's Avatar
Hufenstang
Thread Starter
4th Gear Member
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,371
From: Houston
Default

Okay ill order some shocks then! thanks for all the help.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
GimpyHSHS
4.6L (1996-2004 Modular) Mustang
19
Dec 19, 2023 01:12 PM
CS2007
General Tech
8
Jun 25, 2019 09:45 PM
Gene K
S197 Handling Section
1
Oct 21, 2015 11:37 PM
mungodrums
S550 2015-2023 Mustang
10
Sep 28, 2015 10:54 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:00 AM.