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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 01:47 PM
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This is very interesting.... Sleeper where did you order the bolts for yours?

thx.
Old Jul 26, 2009 | 02:11 PM
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Question Spindle Question/Clarification

My question:

Is this also concern for those of us doing only Autocross/Solo 2 on street
tires
.........although large (275) sticky street tires (Dunlop Direzza's or
Nitto NT-05's)?????????

Thx,

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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GA05GT
This is very interesting.... Sleeper where did you order the bolts for yours?

thx.
I've ordered mine through a local contact here in Toronto. The Part numbers are W714652 S439 for the bolts, and W714653 S900 for the nuts.


I'm sure the prices in the US will be better than here in Canada - they usually are.
Old Jul 27, 2009 | 09:48 AM
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So, you guys are replacing the strut body to spindle mount bolts (2 per wheel)?

What I want to know is what type of bearing is used for the hub to spindle? possible movement under load?
Old Jul 28, 2009 | 10:02 AM
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I don't know about the bearings, but the knuckle failures appear to be centered around insufficient clamping force in the strut/knuckle bolts. Given any room to move, fatigue failure of the knuckle becomes only a question of when. The fixes that I know of include fine thread bolts with higher torque specs and the newer knuckles with slightly thicker pad thickness.

Insufficient clamping force has a number of possible causes, inadequately torqued fasteners, fastener stretch/relaxation in service, excessive clearances in the joint being bolted together . . .

What I hear from Sam Strano is that Ford's 140-whatever torque spec is pretty low for strut bolts on a ponycar.

Separately, camber bolts are more likely to stretch (since they have a smaller cross section over part of their length).


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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 08:17 PM
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I just picked up my new bolts from the Ford dealer. They come in a set of four bolts in one package under PN W714652-S439 and four of the flag nuts in another package under PN W714653-S900.

Quote from post #37 on this thread

http://forums.corner-carvers.com/showthread.php?t=41225

"The bottom line is that these bolts need to be regularly checked for proper torque. The course thread bolts need 200 nm /148 ft lbs. The newer fine thread bolts go to 225 nm /166 ft lbs. It would probably do good for anyone racing/autocrossing an S197 to get the newer bolts sooner rather than later."

Monday I'm at Mosport. Details and video to follow.

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