2001 GT vs. 94 T/A
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RE: 2001 GT vs. 94 T/A
ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
And Dan, no offence but you listed your car trapping at 104 mph and running 13.9 with a practically stock GT, trap speeds like that CANNOT be done stock or near stock - Im certain of that... I think your track must not be calculating times properly.
Once again I want to reiterate that I KNOW 13's have been hit many a times in a 99+ GT, Im only saying that for the majority of the tracks in the U.S that can't be done even with John Force driving - whereas Joe Shmoe can do it with no driving experience at a good track with good air. Problem is those tracks are few and far between.
And Dan, no offence but you listed your car trapping at 104 mph and running 13.9 with a practically stock GT, trap speeds like that CANNOT be done stock or near stock - Im certain of that... I think your track must not be calculating times properly.
Once again I want to reiterate that I KNOW 13's have been hit many a times in a 99+ GT, Im only saying that for the majority of the tracks in the U.S that can't be done even with John Force driving - whereas Joe Shmoe can do it with no driving experience at a good track with good air. Problem is those tracks are few and far between.
You have a valid point, a car can only do so much permitting conditions and driver skill. 95% of your LS1's won't touch 13.2 or lower stock, 95% of your 99+ GT's aren't going to break even a 14.2 because of track/weather/driver skill.
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RE: 2001 GT vs. 94 T/A
ORIGINAL: 98LS1
From my experience with LT1's, the A4's were dogs. I never had a problem putting multiple car lengths on them with my M6 car.
From my experience with LT1's, the A4's were dogs. I never had a problem putting multiple car lengths on them with my M6 car.
If the GT Driver can drive he will have the advantage in the quarter...on top end (If they race on tops) The LT1 can reach 130 in about 24 seconds...compared to about 38 seconds for the GT...see the difference...99+GT's fall flat after 100 even with intake and exhausts.
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RE: 2001 GT vs. 94 T/A
ORIGINAL: Dan02GT
Yeah, just like nobody has seen a 03 Cobra break 12's stock, yet the quickest 03 Cobra to date on street tires has ran 12.4's
But I guess they don't since you 2 haven't witnessed that either. Ya know, everyone at the drag strip isn't a god damn top fuel driver. Not everyone can drive their car to it's total potential.
My friends brand new 04 GT ran a 13.8 100% completely bone stock, it had a whopping 4500 miles on it with it's window sticker still stuck to it. But you know, you've never seen it happen...so nevermind. Hey, I went to the track 6 weeks in a row and not one 03 Cobra broke 13's. Then a guy shows up in his brand new 04 Cobra, nothing done to it and he ran a 12.7 on his FIRST RUN, but I guess that doesn't count because you haven't seen it.
It's well known that high 13's are possible out of a stock 99+ GT, if you go to any other Mustang forum or any other car forum besides a F-BODY forum, everyone will agree that it's possible and that they've seen it. But for whatever reason, we still have doubters, even when granny-shifting magazines have hit 13's. We have guys on here with automatic VERTS at that, running 14.0 bone stock, so unless I'm eating shrooms and hallucinating and reading the imaginary.....
Yeah, just like nobody has seen a 03 Cobra break 12's stock, yet the quickest 03 Cobra to date on street tires has ran 12.4's
But I guess they don't since you 2 haven't witnessed that either. Ya know, everyone at the drag strip isn't a god damn top fuel driver. Not everyone can drive their car to it's total potential.
My friends brand new 04 GT ran a 13.8 100% completely bone stock, it had a whopping 4500 miles on it with it's window sticker still stuck to it. But you know, you've never seen it happen...so nevermind. Hey, I went to the track 6 weeks in a row and not one 03 Cobra broke 13's. Then a guy shows up in his brand new 04 Cobra, nothing done to it and he ran a 12.7 on his FIRST RUN, but I guess that doesn't count because you haven't seen it.
It's well known that high 13's are possible out of a stock 99+ GT, if you go to any other Mustang forum or any other car forum besides a F-BODY forum, everyone will agree that it's possible and that they've seen it. But for whatever reason, we still have doubters, even when granny-shifting magazines have hit 13's. We have guys on here with automatic VERTS at that, running 14.0 bone stock, so unless I'm eating shrooms and hallucinating and reading the imaginary.....
No offense there MD..LOL...MMFF Got one to run 13.71@103 bone stock straight from the factory with 11 miles on it.
So when some of these guys come on here and say they beat an LS1 in the quarter...Don't be so quick to past judgment...Hell i've seen LS1's run 14.1-14.4's on the track...
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RE: 2001 GT vs. 94 T/A
I didn't say it was IMPOSSIBLE to run 13's - get your facts straight
I said it was IMPOSSIBLE to run 13.7's or 13.6's whatever you said - remember when this discussion came up a few months ago
There you go quoting magazines again... I don't think you realize (with all of that "street and strip experience" you have there...) just how much of a difference there is between a 13.9 pass and a 13.6 pass
I said it was IMPOSSIBLE to run 13.7's or 13.6's whatever you said - remember when this discussion came up a few months ago
There you go quoting magazines again... I don't think you realize (with all of that "street and strip experience" you have there...) just how much of a difference there is between a 13.9 pass and a 13.6 pass
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RE: 2001 GT vs. 94 T/A
ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
I didn't say it was IMPOSSIBLE to run 13's - get your facts straight
I said it was IMPOSSIBLE to run 13.7's or 13.6's whatever you said - remember when this discussion came up a few months ago
There you go quoting magazines again... I don't think you realize (with all of that "street and strip experience" you have there...) just how much of a difference there is between a 13.9 pass and a 13.6 pass
I didn't say it was IMPOSSIBLE to run 13's - get your facts straight
I said it was IMPOSSIBLE to run 13.7's or 13.6's whatever you said - remember when this discussion came up a few months ago
There you go quoting magazines again... I don't think you realize (with all of that "street and strip experience" you have there...) just how much of a difference there is between a 13.9 pass and a 13.6 pass
You said it couldn't be done...and as soon as i posted facts you still didn't believe it...Dan came on here and said his friend ran 13.8 stock and you agreed with him...LOL...You got to be kidding me...
Honestly man..you can't come on here and start judging every man on their driving skills, just because you couldn't break into the 13's with your car in stock form..There's too many people on here running 13's and your not the best driver on here, even though you would like to think you are...Step down off that High Horse MD...
I hope you guys put together another mustang meet somewhere close.....I can't wait to see this stang of your...lol..
No offense..
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RE: 2001 GT vs. 94 T/A
once again you've been foiled I never ran my car stock... but I have run in the 14's before and I know what its like to scrounge for every tenth of a second. Many things have changed since those days and I don't claim to be a good driver. I simply post my timeslips - and videos. I don't know where you get off claiming that high horse bit - your the one claiming that not me - maybe you have some insecurity problems.
This has nothing to do with anything other than you taking what magazines say as Gospel. Like I said before, I don't BELIVE its possible... but crazier things have happened... the bottom line is that NO ONE ANYWHERE ON THIS PLANET, other than those magazine editors, have ever claimed a 13.6 - nobody I've ever met - nobody on an internet site - nobody that said their "brother's friend's uncle" ... just some damn Magazine company that didn't even print the timeslip...
AND - the point is everytime a discussion comes up as to what a 99+ GT runs you start spouting off 13 second passes... when the reality is the vast majority of 99+ GT's will never see 13's stock. Also, we've already discussed weather condtions, track prep, etc as being MAJOR factors in what cars run... and Im sure that their are a few tracks that even a beginner driver can run a GT into the 13's ... but for the sake of this discussion - as well as ALL OTHER discussions of 99+ GT times - the answer shouldn't be that they (99-04 GT's) run 13's. Your Bullit mustang is NOT a GT.
I never ran my car stock... but I have run in the 14's before and I know what its like to scrounge for every tenth of a second. Many things have changed since those days and I don't claim to be a good driver. I simply post my timeslips - and videos. I don't know where you get off claiming that high horse bit - your the one claiming that not me - maybe you have some insecurity problems.This has nothing to do with anything other than you taking what magazines say as Gospel. Like I said before, I don't BELIVE its possible... but crazier things have happened... the bottom line is that NO ONE ANYWHERE ON THIS PLANET, other than those magazine editors, have ever claimed a 13.6 - nobody I've ever met - nobody on an internet site - nobody that said their "brother's friend's uncle" ... just some damn Magazine company that didn't even print the timeslip...
AND - the point is everytime a discussion comes up as to what a 99+ GT runs you start spouting off 13 second passes... when the reality is the vast majority of 99+ GT's will never see 13's stock. Also, we've already discussed weather condtions, track prep, etc as being MAJOR factors in what cars run... and Im sure that their are a few tracks that even a beginner driver can run a GT into the 13's ... but for the sake of this discussion - as well as ALL OTHER discussions of 99+ GT times - the answer shouldn't be that they (99-04 GT's) run 13's. Your Bullit mustang is NOT a GT.
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RE: 2001 GT vs. 94 T/A
ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
once again you've been foiled I never ran my car stock
this has nothing to do with anything other than you taking what magazines say as Gospel. Like I said before, I don't BELIVE its possible... but crazier things have happened... the bottom line is that NO ONE ANYWHERE ON THIS PLANET, other than those magazine editors, have ever claimed a 13.6
once again you've been foiled
I never ran my car stockthis has nothing to do with anything other than you taking what magazines say as Gospel. Like I said before, I don't BELIVE its possible... but crazier things have happened... the bottom line is that NO ONE ANYWHERE ON THIS PLANET, other than those magazine editors, have ever claimed a 13.6
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RE: 2001 GT vs. 94 T/A
Your Bullit is not a GT
*** edit*** by the way I edited my above post alittle.
Dub I didn't mean to come off argumentative - I suppose we both are just strong willed in our beliefs... nothing wrong with that [sm=smiley31.gif] Im not saying you didn't run a 13.9 in your Bullit either, and Im not saying a GT can't run 13's in the right conditions and the right driver... Im only saying that I don't believe that magazine article for - many reasons. That was back in 1999... how many times since then has anyone, including a magazine... quoted a 13.7 but they claimed to have gotten a 13.6 a week before?
*** edit*** by the way I edited my above post alittle.
Dub I didn't mean to come off argumentative - I suppose we both are just strong willed in our beliefs... nothing wrong with that [sm=smiley31.gif] Im not saying you didn't run a 13.9 in your Bullit either, and Im not saying a GT can't run 13's in the right conditions and the right driver... Im only saying that I don't believe that magazine article for - many reasons. That was back in 1999... how many times since then has anyone, including a magazine... quoted a 13.7 but they claimed to have gotten a 13.6 a week before?
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RE: 2001 GT vs. 94 T/A
ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
Your Bullit is not a GT
*** edit*** by the way I edited my above post alittle.
Dub I didn't mean to come off argumentative - I suppose we both are just strong willed in our beliefs... nothing wrong with that [sm=smiley31.gif] Im not saying you didn't run a 13.9 in your Bullit either, and Im not saying a GT can't run 13's in the right conditions and the right driver... Im only saying that I don't beleive that magazine article for many reasons.
Your Bullit is not a GT
*** edit*** by the way I edited my above post alittle.
Dub I didn't mean to come off argumentative - I suppose we both are just strong willed in our beliefs... nothing wrong with that [sm=smiley31.gif] Im not saying you didn't run a 13.9 in your Bullit either, and Im not saying a GT can't run 13's in the right conditions and the right driver... Im only saying that I don't beleive that magazine article for many reasons.
I look forward to meeting you one day in the near future...so we can test our rides...
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