Got Rice?
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From: California
RE: Got Rice?
ORIGINAL: JMD
Well Karma,,, I will bet you I reached 500 + HP and about 500 lbs of torque with an "ancient" 351 based engine cheaper and easier than can be done witheither of your above examples....... without nitrous or forced induction,,, of course if I wanted some more HP,,, I could still do the nitrous, for another hundred orprobably even a couple hundred more HP,,, mmm. I think it would take the pressure...probably wont do it though... I think it will beat stock riceas it is...
ORIGINAL: Karma_Hunden
Nope. To me, the Mustang GT costs more to mod. Parts are cheaper but you just have to put a lot of them on it. Like say....axle back, h/x-pipe, lt headers, gears, ds, t-body,intake and tune. You would be a very close match, but not quite to a Turboback exhaust(includes catback&downpipe), uppipe, headers, reflash/tuned, short ram intake EVO/STi imo. But then you have to put some bigger tires and rims on the stang for traction. That's straight up 2Gs more. Then if you really wanna beat those 4 bangers, then you have to supercharge it...thats 5K more (discount intake&tune if so)...but wait, now you gotta suit the car for it, so suspension, struts and brakes are a must. And if you drive a manual, clutch, flywheel and drivetrain. Then comes the cosmetics...you didnt think on leaving the Stang all dull after putting those Gs on it now did ya? So a good front lip/bodykit/spoiler/stripes add more to the cost....there's a price to pay for beauty and power. And if you wanna kick pass the 450s then forged internals are a cost too.
To some STi/EVOs may lack/have [only]one/both, but to me they are some fine pieces of machinery, i just dont dig the fact that while some people may love it, some may hate it...i rather keep my nice V8 powah. But you get my explanation. I respect those cars.
I don't understand what's the complex some [V8 owners] people have against them. Envy? I certainly don't, but I do admire.
-Karma.
ORIGINAL: 66JameStang
You know we can argue cost all day, 8 cylinder is better then four period. With the same setup the cylinders will win.
You know we can argue cost all day, 8 cylinder is better then four period. With the same setup the cylinders will win.
To some STi/EVOs may lack/have [only]one/both, but to me they are some fine pieces of machinery, i just dont dig the fact that while some people may love it, some may hate it...i rather keep my nice V8 powah. But you get my explanation. I respect those cars.
I don't understand what's the complex some [V8 owners] people have against them. Envy? I certainly don't, but I do admire.
-Karma.
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,469
From: AR
RE: Got Rice?
ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT
I just think alot of the issues in this thread are coming from your enveloping defintion of rice. Calling all non-domestic makes and models of cars "rice" from teh factory, is not going to create a healthy forum for debate or discussion.
I just think alot of the issues in this thread are coming from your enveloping defintion of rice. Calling all non-domestic makes and models of cars "rice" from teh factory, is not going to create a healthy forum for debate or discussion.
No one has to agree with my point of view, hell I like some disagreement on these forums,,, read the posts again,,, see who is getting pissed off and "all offended" ...
Besides,,,my original postwas not meant to be taken quite so seriously,,, but I do have 1/3rd of the votes,,, so I am not all alone....
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From: AR
RE: Got Rice?
ORIGINAL: 0hOneGT
Until the road curves
Until the road curves
I don't race around curves,, I don't race NASCAR and I don't like F1,,,,I have not seen anyone bragging about a their impressive ET onone of thosecurvy dragstrips,,, or their "street kill" whilenavigating atraffic circle....
(thats funny,,, I don't care who you are,, dats funny... (in my best "Larry the Cable Guy voice.) )
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From: California
RE: Got Rice?
The point is factory stock subarus aren't all about straight line performance. If they were, the $$$ spent in researching and producing their suspensions would go into producing more powerful engines
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RE: Got Rice?
ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT
per: 66JameStang
1. I can name PLENTY of stock 4cylinder cars that whoop the **** out of v8 cars. Take for instance, the srt-4... 14.0 or better on occasion.... MOST v8 mustangs from about '72-'04 run at that time or slower, save for a Cobra, and a couple special edition Stangs.
Then throw in an Evo or STi... and youre looking at even fewer v8 Mustangs that go that...
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You threw out alot of ignorance in that post, and I dont usually call people out on the opinion, but that one was pretty crazy.
2. Technology > Displacement enough said
3. No stock vehicle is rice. It's just a car. When a person however, gets ahold of it and does ridiculous things to it, then it is rice.
You can have domestic rice.....you can have import rice... it's a state of mind, more like an adjective than a noun in this essence.
per: 66JameStang
1 I don't know of any stock four cylinder engines that can beat an eight cylinder. 2 also IMO there is no replacement for displacement. 3 How are some imports considered rice and some are not?
I can name PLENTY of stock 4cylinder cars that whoop the **** out of v8 cars. Take for instance, the srt-4... 14.0 or better on occasion.... MOST v8 mustangs from about '72-'04 run at that time or slower, save for a Cobra, and a couple special edition Stangs.Then throw in an Evo or STi... and youre looking at even fewer v8 Mustangs that go that...
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You threw out alot of ignorance in that post, and I dont usually call people out on the opinion, but that one was pretty crazy.
2. Technology > Displacement enough said
3. No stock vehicle is rice. It's just a car. When a person however, gets ahold of it and does ridiculous things to it, then it is rice.
You can have domestic rice.....you can have import rice... it's a state of mind, more like an adjective than a noun in this essence.
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,469
From: AR
RE: Got Rice?
ORIGINAL: 0hOneGT
The point is factory stock subarus aren't all about straight line performance. If they were, the $$$ spent in researching and producing their suspensions would go into producing more powerful engines
The point is factory stock subarus aren't all about straight line performance. If they were, the $$$ spent in researching and producing their suspensions would go into producing more powerful engines
But I didn't start this thread with a poll about who has the best sun visor....
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From: New Mexico
RE: Got Rice?
ORIGINAL: dawssvt
This post sums up exactly what I think. #3 especially...
ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT
per: 66JameStang
1. I can name PLENTY of stock 4cylinder cars that whoop the **** out of v8 cars. Take for instance, the srt-4... 14.0 or better on occasion.... MOST v8 mustangs from about '72-'04 run at that time or slower, save for a Cobra, and a couple special edition Stangs.
Then throw in an Evo or STi... and youre looking at even fewer v8 Mustangs that go that...
.
You threw out alot of ignorance in that post, and I dont usually call people out on the opinion, but that one was pretty crazy.
2. Technology > Displacement enough said
3. No stock vehicle is rice. It's just a car. When a person however, gets ahold of it and does ridiculous things to it, then it is rice.
You can have domestic rice.....you can have import rice... it's a state of mind, more like an adjective than a noun in this essence.
per: 66JameStang
1 I don't know of any stock four cylinder engines that can beat an eight cylinder. 2 also IMO there is no replacement for displacement. 3 How are some imports considered rice and some are not?
I can name PLENTY of stock 4cylinder cars that whoop the **** out of v8 cars. Take for instance, the srt-4... 14.0 or better on occasion.... MOST v8 mustangs from about '72-'04 run at that time or slower, save for a Cobra, and a couple special edition Stangs.Then throw in an Evo or STi... and youre looking at even fewer v8 Mustangs that go that...
.
You threw out alot of ignorance in that post, and I dont usually call people out on the opinion, but that one was pretty crazy.
2. Technology > Displacement enough said
3. No stock vehicle is rice. It's just a car. When a person however, gets ahold of it and does ridiculous things to it, then it is rice.
You can have domestic rice.....you can have import rice... it's a state of mind, more like an adjective than a noun in this essence.
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From: Las Cruces, NM
RE: Got Rice?
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ORIGINAL: 66JameStang
ok and along with the post topic do you think most stock cars that are not american should be beating american modded cars. That is the jubject not what your defination of rice is
ORIGINAL: dawssvt
This post sums up exactly what I think. #3 especially...
ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT
per: 66JameStang
1. I can name PLENTY of stock 4cylinder cars that whoop the **** out of v8 cars. Take for instance, the srt-4... 14.0 or better on occasion.... MOST v8 mustangs from about '72-'04 run at that time or slower, save for a Cobra, and a couple special edition Stangs.
Then throw in an Evo or STi... and youre looking at even fewer v8 Mustangs that go that...
.
You threw out alot of ignorance in that post, and I dont usually call people out on the opinion, but that one was pretty crazy.
2. Technology > Displacement enough said
3. No stock vehicle is rice. It's just a car. When a person however, gets ahold of it and does ridiculous things to it, then it is rice.
You can have domestic rice.....you can have import rice... it's a state of mind, more like an adjective than a noun in this essence.
per: 66JameStang
1 I don't know of any stock four cylinder engines that can beat an eight cylinder. 2 also IMO there is no replacement for displacement. 3 How are some imports considered rice and some are not?
I can name PLENTY of stock 4cylinder cars that whoop the **** out of v8 cars. Take for instance, the srt-4... 14.0 or better on occasion.... MOST v8 mustangs from about '72-'04 run at that time or slower, save for a Cobra, and a couple special edition Stangs.Then throw in an Evo or STi... and youre looking at even fewer v8 Mustangs that go that...
.
You threw out alot of ignorance in that post, and I dont usually call people out on the opinion, but that one was pretty crazy.
2. Technology > Displacement enough said
3. No stock vehicle is rice. It's just a car. When a person however, gets ahold of it and does ridiculous things to it, then it is rice.
You can have domestic rice.....you can have import rice... it's a state of mind, more like an adjective than a noun in this essence.
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Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,250
From: NoDak
RE: Got Rice?
ORIGINAL: jakeachy
wow, you are numb in the cerebellum.
you have no idea what the above cars would cost without turbos. you dont have any kind of basis to let that mumble exit your mouth.
regular impreza:
2007 Impreza 2.5i Sedan
Starting at $17,995*
2007 Impreza WRX STI
Starting at $33,495*
alright lets use our heads.
the difference in the impreza and sti is:[*]293-hp 2.5-liter DOHC intercooled, turbocharged SUBARU BOXER engine
STI high-performance-tuned exhaust system with single stainless-steel outlet. that turbo and exhaust to work the turbo is $16000.
ORIGINAL: Civic4doorsleeper
I paid $150 for my new turbo & mines far larger then what you find on evos & STi's You do know many cars have turbos stock, Omnis, Daytonas, Caravans, DSM's, Saabs, MUSTANGS, T-Birds, sunbirds, the list goes on. Did the turbos make these car expensive?? HA NOT. next argument please.
I paid $150 for my new turbo & mines far larger then what you find on evos & STi's
You do know many cars have turbos stock, Omnis, Daytonas, Caravans, DSM's, Saabs, MUSTANGS, T-Birds, sunbirds, the list goes on. Did the turbos make these car expensive?? HA NOT. next argument please.you have no idea what the above cars would cost without turbos. you dont have any kind of basis to let that mumble exit your mouth.
regular impreza:
2007 Impreza 2.5i Sedan
Starting at $17,995*
2007 Impreza WRX STI
Starting at $33,495*
alright lets use our heads.
the difference in the impreza and sti is:[*]293-hp 2.5-liter DOHC intercooled, turbocharged SUBARU BOXER engine
STI high-performance-tuned exhaust system with single stainless-steel outlet. that turbo and exhaust to work the turbo is $16000.
2007 Mustang GT:
Starts at $25,695
2007 GT500 Mustang:
Starts at $41,950
So, according to your formula the supercharger on the GT500 costs.....
$16,250
So the STi is still the better deal.......[8D]
