Camaro Slayed me tonight!!! :(
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Obviously GM is lacking in power, that's the real cause. I blaim the silly 2V pushrod motors. They most definately should have went with the OHC assembly. I mean ****, less mpg, less power, more weight, more costly to mod, more costly to fix, higher center of gravity, more moving parts, did I mention weight?
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They were trying to make it comfy for all you Mustang guys. Hoping you'd jump ship. You all thought the f-body's were too brutish, so they girl'ed it up. Now it's too girly.....go figure.
Obviously GM is lacking in power, that's the real cause. I blaim the silly 2V pushrod motors. They most definately should have went with the OHC assembly. I mean ****, less mpg, less power, more weight, more costly to mod, more costly to fix, higher center of gravity, more moving parts, did I mention weight?
Obviously GM is lacking in power, that's the real cause. I blaim the silly 2V pushrod motors. They most definately should have went with the OHC assembly. I mean ****, less mpg, less power, more weight, more costly to mod, more costly to fix, higher center of gravity, more moving parts, did I mention weight?
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They were trying to make it comfy for all you Mustang guys. Hoping you'd jump ship. You all thought the f-body's were too brutish, so they girl'ed it up. Now it's too girly.....go figure.
Obviously GM is lacking in power, that's the real cause. I blaim the silly 2V pushrod motors. They most definately should have went with the OHC assembly. I mean ****, less mpg, less power, more weight, more costly to mod, more costly to fix, higher center of gravity, more moving parts, did I mention weight?
Obviously GM is lacking in power, that's the real cause. I blaim the silly 2V pushrod motors. They most definately should have went with the OHC assembly. I mean ****, less mpg, less power, more weight, more costly to mod, more costly to fix, higher center of gravity, more moving parts, did I mention weight?
I love you, I know that sounds gay, but I love you man. Between you and 99GTVERT, I want to marry you both, but, couldn't pick between you two.
Couldn't have said it any better.
Personally though, I do think F-bodies are a tad uncomfortable. Me being about 6'1, the seating is kinda bad.
However, them being Brutish, fits well. I like refined, especially when comparing the S197's to the 99-04 Models, you don't get as much of a violent and brutish feeling with S197's as you do with the 99-04s.
Sorry, random I know.
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Hot Rod has already tested and modified a 6-speed 2010 SS (at Cordova Dragway, S8ER's home track). Brand new with 187 miles on it (not broken in) it ran 13.0 @ 108. With 20 inch Nittos (pretty much no sidewall) it ran 12.73 @ 108. With some exhaust work and a 100 shot it ran 11.96 @ 115.
BTW curb weight was 3,950 lbs. Jesus Christ GM, heavy enough?
BTW curb weight was 3,950 lbs. Jesus Christ GM, heavy enough?
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3 tenths from Nitto DRs...... sounds like they either hook pretty good on stock rubber, or the PCM (torque management mainly) is holding them back pretty bad. My guess is the tuning. I'd love to see the difference between one running a stock tune and DRs, versus one running a custom tune on DRs.
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I have several grudge matches setup for Cordova this month at our rental and will have all the results on video along with slips. The 2010 SS guys think they are going to blow me out of the water and I'm trying to tell them it's going to be a drivers race and very close at that. I will definately post the results when I have them.
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Found this on youtube, looks like this ls1 has the l99 covered.
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In the Hot Rod article they did do some tuning to remove torque management, but the 12.73 run with just Nittos was done before that. The article also suggested that the TM is not as bad with the new Camaros as it is with my version; I haven't been tuned yet, so I should probably get that done and maybe get some decent 60 ft times.
From what I have seen so far, the 4th gen Camaros are just a tad bit slower on average than the new ones. The power increase of the LS3 and L99 appears to just slightly overcome the weight gain.
From what I have seen so far, the 4th gen Camaros are just a tad bit slower on average than the new ones. The power increase of the LS3 and L99 appears to just slightly overcome the weight gain.
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Except (and i know this has been discussed a million times) those magazine times are not obtained at a track and they are 'corrected' for conditions before getting published. Your not even comparing apples to apples to start with...
I consider myself an average driver and I make tons of mistakes... my times are over half a second faster than times published by Edmunds, Motortrend, etc back in the day... does that mean I am some how a professional driver and the average joe is going to run high 13s/low 14s like they did?