Haha, I've been around, and I've know exactly what you are talking about. That crap doesn't tick me off though. If the BS is too deep, I leave it be... You know the saying about arguing with a fool.

And, I wasn't really saying the Mach should or should not have won. I agree, a LS2 GTO has a disinct advantage. Now on the street, could the outcome the OP described occured? Sure... I'm willing to bet the GTO ran into traction issues each and every run. No big deal. It happens.

How does yours hook up on the street?

 

that's exactly what I'm saying though... an auto GTO should have no traction issues at all

on street tires I was still pulling sub 5 second 0-60's

on the mickey thompsons it was like 4.25 second to 60MPH


the auto's are geared to nothing but go from a stop... it's probably the most advantage to race from in my car


this was when I first got the car without a tune on street tires in 50 degree weather

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFDEZXaSscc


that was WOT off the stock stall with TC on and I still caught a sub 5 second 0-60... on the street in 50 degree weather

this was the races with my friends manual mach

from a 60 roll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSfiv5DrWaE




this particular video has a race from a dig (the second race)... filmed from the supercharged sixxer, my car is in the middle and the mach 1 is in the far right lane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbv0u...eature=related

and we all saw the tragic end to that... multiple times

I usually do not call BS unless I have very good reason to call BS

 

^ An LS2 GTO, with a 3.06 first gear and 3.46 rear end won't turn the tires over from a stop or a 10 MPH roll?

I agree with you, the GTO should pull on said Mach. But when we are talking about a 1.5 car gap, I don't see how it's automatically BS. It could have easily gone the other way. Stuff happens.

Nothing has been proven or disproven by the results of the OP's runs.

 

If the GTO lost traction than I can see these results but when both cars are auto's, it seems like it should be as close to car vs car as you can get.

 

My automatic Mach 1 ran 13.3 at 106 MPH. It did so on a 1.98 60 foot, so it was definitely a strong run. The temps were in the 60s that day, so weather was very favorable. My mods at the time were an SLP catted X-Pipe, and a drop in filter. All else stock.

Here's the thing about the automatic Machs. They come stock with very aggressive shift pressure for a stock car. Mine chirped 2nd gear under WOT. The stalls are also better in the auto Machs than in the GTs automatic. So they are stout from a dig and with those firm shifts, they have an advantage in that aspect.

Here's the other thing about automatic Machs, and the main reason I think this run was flawed in some way (or complete BS). Automatic Machs don't pull worth a *** once they get into 4th gear. Its all about going from a dig and getting through the first couple gears in those cars. There is absolutely no way an automatic Mach should be pulling on an automatic GTO over 70-80 mph. I can see the Mach getting a jump from a dig (and vice versa), but that pull should be quickly shut down by a GTO, if said GTO is still on the throttle. I've raced enough GTOs in all 3 of my Machs to know that if you don't get the jump on them down low, you're not going to gain any ground. My 2004 MANUAL Mach trapped a best of 109.9 MPH, and it had 4.10s, ORX, Drop in filter, and a cat-back.

 

lol well bench racing ftl we basically have the same mods cai full exhaust tune. We would both spin but i would have half a car at the end of 1st. Then another half in 2nd and 3rd where i let off..

 

Sounds like a street run I had against a 2004 LS1 Automatic GTO. We did 3 runs and I got him by a car to a 1.5 cars every time.

Bolton, full exhaust? On both cars? When did this happen?

 

no headers... trying to say its a 5.7 car?

 

It's the street, anything can happen. bolton, can a brother get some vids?

 

You said it was an LS2 and you were there, so I can't say what it was. I'm just saying I had the exact same results in my automatic Mach against a 5.7 GTO. He was stock and I had a catted X.