Turbo For 01 Cobra
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RE: Turbo For 01 Cobra
ORIGINAL: MuscleOwnzRice
That statement isnt correct, the internals are good for more than 400to the wheels. we had a guy at our pro shop build a procharged cobra with stock internals with 420rwhp at easily at 8psi. now he but in a mild cam and was going at 450rwhp safely. The internals are alot stronger than people think.
But to answer the original question a turbo would be nice, the way i look at it is like this. Do you go to the track alot? Are you willing to deal with turbo lag because most street races dont give enough time to spool to its full potential before someone lets out. If you can tune it to the point where you can almost eliminate lag than its worth it. If not and your lookign for instant power i would say got with a procharger. Or HP makes a kit thats a Twin Turbo everything you need for 6k. Just my 2 sense
ORIGINAL: jacrockett
If I didn't live in Kalifornia, I'd have gone turbo vs. s/c. Waaay more power and reliability.
Stock internals are fine up to 400rwhp.
If I didn't live in Kalifornia, I'd have gone turbo vs. s/c. Waaay more power and reliability.
Stock internals are fine up to 400rwhp.
But to answer the original question a turbo would be nice, the way i look at it is like this. Do you go to the track alot? Are you willing to deal with turbo lag because most street races dont give enough time to spool to its full potential before someone lets out. If you can tune it to the point where you can almost eliminate lag than its worth it. If not and your lookign for instant power i would say got with a procharger. Or HP makes a kit thats a Twin Turbo everything you need for 6k. Just my 2 sense
....okay,some people may go over 400rwhp onnon-forged internals, I'm just not advising it, to stay on the safe side (especially when giving advice). I certainly wouldn't go much over 400rwhp in a daily driver without building the short block.
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RE: Turbo For 01 Cobra
turbo setups for v8s are way to expensive right now. I dont see why.. Ive had imports with badass setups for way cheaper, I think its because companies havent started developing them untill lately, when the japanese companies have been makeing them for years.
Everyone always supercharges mustangs for a reason. and its the main reason why im going to supercharge. boost is boost. If your running a stock motor, why are you going to spend like 6 grand for a turbo when a vortech kit us under 4 grand with everything.
Both is going to yield you mid 400s on a stock block. Unless your trying to build like a 700 hp race car, Stick with supercharging for the street.
Even if it the boost bug bit u later, You could still build your bottom end, and Up the boost some on the supercharger.
I think u can go farther with a stock block than 450, I was watching a video on youtube with a guy with 600hp on a 99 blow his motor racing a z06,it blew the z06 completely away. I think That he might have pushed it allittle to far with 600 but You never know what his tuning was.I feel like If you spent the money and got the car tuned with a custom fuel map on a wideband 02 on a dyno u can pull 500 safely. Its always in the tuning.
Im coming from experience such as turboing 4 cylinder hondas(which are strictly engineered to be NA from the factory)makeing over 400 hp So I know that tuneing Plays a big role.
Everyone always supercharges mustangs for a reason. and its the main reason why im going to supercharge. boost is boost. If your running a stock motor, why are you going to spend like 6 grand for a turbo when a vortech kit us under 4 grand with everything.
Both is going to yield you mid 400s on a stock block. Unless your trying to build like a 700 hp race car, Stick with supercharging for the street.
Even if it the boost bug bit u later, You could still build your bottom end, and Up the boost some on the supercharger.
I think u can go farther with a stock block than 450, I was watching a video on youtube with a guy with 600hp on a 99 blow his motor racing a z06,it blew the z06 completely away. I think That he might have pushed it allittle to far with 600 but You never know what his tuning was.I feel like If you spent the money and got the car tuned with a custom fuel map on a wideband 02 on a dyno u can pull 500 safely. Its always in the tuning.
Im coming from experience such as turboing 4 cylinder hondas(which are strictly engineered to be NA from the factory)makeing over 400 hp So I know that tuneing Plays a big role.
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RE: Turbo For 01 Cobra
ORIGINAL: 88gtboy
turbo setups for v8s are way to expensive right now. I dont see why.. Ive had imports with badass setups for way cheaper, I think its because companies havent started developing them untill lately, when the japanese companies have been makeing them for years.
Everyone always supercharges mustangs for a reason. and its the main reason why im going to supercharge. boost is boost. If your running a stock motor, why are you going to spend like 6 grand for a turbo when a vortech kit us under 4 grand with everything.
Both is going to yield you mid 400s on a stock block. Unless your trying to build like a 700 hp race car, Stick with supercharging for the street.
Even if it the boost bug bit u later, You could still build your bottom end, and Up the boost some on the supercharger.
I think u can go farther with a stock block than 450, I was watching a video on youtube with a guy with 600hp on a 99 blow his motor racing a z06,it blew the z06 completely away. I think That he might have pushed it allittle to far with 600 but You never know what his tuning was.I feel like If you spent the money and got the car tuned with a custom fuel map on a wideband 02 on a dyno u can pull 500 safely. Its always in the tuning.
Im coming from experience such as turboing 4 cylinder hondas(which are strictly engineered to be NA from the factory)makeing over 400 hp So I know that tuneing Plays a big role.
turbo setups for v8s are way to expensive right now. I dont see why.. Ive had imports with badass setups for way cheaper, I think its because companies havent started developing them untill lately, when the japanese companies have been makeing them for years.
Everyone always supercharges mustangs for a reason. and its the main reason why im going to supercharge. boost is boost. If your running a stock motor, why are you going to spend like 6 grand for a turbo when a vortech kit us under 4 grand with everything.
Both is going to yield you mid 400s on a stock block. Unless your trying to build like a 700 hp race car, Stick with supercharging for the street.
Even if it the boost bug bit u later, You could still build your bottom end, and Up the boost some on the supercharger.
I think u can go farther with a stock block than 450, I was watching a video on youtube with a guy with 600hp on a 99 blow his motor racing a z06,it blew the z06 completely away. I think That he might have pushed it allittle to far with 600 but You never know what his tuning was.I feel like If you spent the money and got the car tuned with a custom fuel map on a wideband 02 on a dyno u can pull 500 safely. Its always in the tuning.
Im coming from experience such as turboing 4 cylinder hondas(which are strictly engineered to be NA from the factory)makeing over 400 hp So I know that tuneing Plays a big role.
I agree that a safe tune is critical for any motor to survive very long. For tuning purposes, "boost is boost", but the turbo makes that boost without the parasitic losses of the blower pully, which lowers rwhp that you get from a given boost level. Also, I've never heard of a turbo throwing a drive belt (as it doesn't have one). Lastly, the turbo's centrificalcompressor is more efficient than any positive displacement blower.
With regard to tubo kits being too expensive, I agree. However, if you have the budget, and a lack of smog certification required, more power can be made with the turbo. If the turbo is sized properly, you don't even give up much low-end torque to a twin-screw s/c.
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RE: Turbo For 01 Cobra
The problem with turbo is all kinds of little issues though... Boost spikes(This is a BIG, and dangerousone)Blowning turbo seals, Spool times, havint to let that hot oil cool down before shutting it down, Bolts rattleing off, exhaust leaks, Just all kinds of things that will nickle and dime you to death.
The supercharger Its basicaly like an assembly that bolts into place, Some you dont even have to run oil lines, so you bolt into place, install your fuel management , and air charge pipeing and tune your done.
Yes the supercharger takes away with paracitic loss, But it more than makes up for it in my book with Damn near instant boost.
It really isnt worth the hassles of the **** you will have to do for turbo for only 400-500hp when a supercharger will be more reliable if its streetable.
The supercharger Its basicaly like an assembly that bolts into place, Some you dont even have to run oil lines, so you bolt into place, install your fuel management , and air charge pipeing and tune your done.
Yes the supercharger takes away with paracitic loss, But it more than makes up for it in my book with Damn near instant boost.
It really isnt worth the hassles of the **** you will have to do for turbo for only 400-500hp when a supercharger will be more reliable if its streetable.
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RE: Turbo For 01 Cobra
I certainly understand the benefits of a twin-screw s/c (since I have one). Maybe it's a "grass is always greener" thing for me?
For daily driving, I don't know what I'd do if I had much more power than I already have. However, my motor with twin turbos could easily put down 700rwhp ona safe tune (4v and forged internals). I can't help but wonder what that would be like =)
Also, on my previous setup (2v), I lostso many belts that I'm particularly sensitive to that (but maybe that's what I got for trying to push my little 1.7L KB all the way up to 14# boost).
It's a moot point, since I live in CA, and I want to pass smog legitimately; s/c is the only option for me.
For daily driving, I don't know what I'd do if I had much more power than I already have. However, my motor with twin turbos could easily put down 700rwhp ona safe tune (4v and forged internals). I can't help but wonder what that would be like =)
Also, on my previous setup (2v), I lostso many belts that I'm particularly sensitive to that (but maybe that's what I got for trying to push my little 1.7L KB all the way up to 14# boost).
It's a moot point, since I live in CA, and I want to pass smog legitimately; s/c is the only option for me.
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RE: Turbo For 01 Cobra
Only thing I dont like about superchargers is the leeching part. To me its not worth it, when you can get free energy from a turbo.
Also you can bolt on 800hp from a single turbo (check out a "blowzilla") without much lag. Which someone made the point of saying.. if your spending that kinda money you might as well go for more HP and I totally agree, its not going to kill anything except gas milage.
You DEFENITELY dont have to rebuild the engine unless you've really slammed on it. Cobra engines are already pretty beefy from the factory, so you dont really need to worry about it.
The main thing about turboing is getting the chip. The best way to do it is to call up AEM and have them program a chip for your car, which could cost up to 1K. Only downside.
Also you can bolt on 800hp from a single turbo (check out a "blowzilla") without much lag. Which someone made the point of saying.. if your spending that kinda money you might as well go for more HP and I totally agree, its not going to kill anything except gas milage.
You DEFENITELY dont have to rebuild the engine unless you've really slammed on it. Cobra engines are already pretty beefy from the factory, so you dont really need to worry about it.
The main thing about turboing is getting the chip. The best way to do it is to call up AEM and have them program a chip for your car, which could cost up to 1K. Only downside.
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RE: Turbo For 01 Cobra
ORIGINAL: italia10588
Only thing I dont like about superchargers is the leeching part. To me its not worth it, when you can get free energy from a turbo.
Also you can bolt on 800hp from a single turbo (check out a "blowzilla") without much lag. Which someone made the point of saying.. if your spending that kinda money you might as well go for more HP and I totally agree, its not going to kill anything except gas milage.
You DEFENITELY dont have to rebuild the engine unless you've really slammed on it. Cobra engines are already pretty beefy from the factory, so you dont really need to worry about it.
The main thing about turboing is getting the chip. The best way to do it is to call up AEM and have them program a chip for your car, which could cost up to 1K. Only downside.
Only thing I dont like about superchargers is the leeching part. To me its not worth it, when you can get free energy from a turbo.
Also you can bolt on 800hp from a single turbo (check out a "blowzilla") without much lag. Which someone made the point of saying.. if your spending that kinda money you might as well go for more HP and I totally agree, its not going to kill anything except gas milage.
You DEFENITELY dont have to rebuild the engine unless you've really slammed on it. Cobra engines are already pretty beefy from the factory, so you dont really need to worry about it.
The main thing about turboing is getting the chip. The best way to do it is to call up AEM and have them program a chip for your car, which could cost up to 1K. Only downside.
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I have done research. Theres several videos on youtube and streetfire of guys dynoed at 800hp with a stock engine setup.
and you need a computer chip to go with your computer system. AEM is a company called Advanced Engine Management. (AEMpower.com) They can customize a chip specificially designed for your model turbo and the car your putting it into.
and you need a computer chip to go with your computer system. AEM is a company called Advanced Engine Management. (AEMpower.com) They can customize a chip specificially designed for your model turbo and the car your putting it into.