Rant on slow sixxer
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RE: Rant on slow sixxer
look i work at a toyota dealership (don't ask why) and i know all about the jap cars getting great fuel milage but try and find add ons for them, the mustang was designed for a person to tune it how they please with thousands of parts stores carrying parts for them in stock, but if you go up to the counter asking for a water pump for a 300zx they'll tel you to come back in a week or 2 when it comes in. plus i've raced a '90s era civec in my mustang which is bare bones stock and blew his doors off...it cost me a $402 ticket but i beat him lol
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RE: Rant on slow sixxer
yea but the op does have a point the six is WAY underpowered
personally i think that the setup should be as follows
sixer~250hp
GT~300BHP
mach, boss, bulit?~400hp
GT500~500 DUH
personally i think that the setup should be as follows
sixer~250hp
GT~300BHP
mach, boss, bulit?~400hp
GT500~500 DUH
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RE: Rant on slow sixxer
ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it. You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang. Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang. Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang. to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones). No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts. They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump. I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer. Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do. They actually care about earning our business. Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.
5th Gear Member
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,119
From: La
RE: Rant on slow sixxer
Lets compare my year Mustang.
2002 V6 Mustang - $17,475 (I'm using all base packages)
-Curb Weight: 3066 lbs
-3.8L OHV 232 V6
-193 HP
-225 TQ
-EPA: 20 City, 29 Highway
2002 Honda Civic SOHC I4 - $12,810
-Curb Weight: 2744 lbs
-1.7L 102 I4
-127 HP
-114 TQ
-EPA: 32/37
2002 Honda Civic DOHC I4 - $19,000
-Curb Weight: 2744 lbs
-2.0L 122 I4
-160 HP
-132 TQ
-26/30
2002 Acura Integra - $21,050
-Curb Weight: 2703 lbs
-1.8L DOHC I4 110ci
-195 HP
-130 TQ
-25/31
2002 Mitsubishi Eclipse - $21,147
-Curb Weight: 3042
-2.4L OHC I4 149ci
-145 HP
-163 TQ
-20/28
You get what you paid for. I have the largest engine, the most power (close to Integra), and the most torque by a LOT. Throw in the fact that I would MUCH rather be seen in a Mustang than any of those 4 bangers or 6cyls and you have the reason that I own a V6 Mustang. Don't compare it to cars of greater value, compare it to cars of equal value, then you start getting places.
2002 V6 Mustang - $17,475 (I'm using all base packages)
-Curb Weight: 3066 lbs
-3.8L OHV 232 V6
-193 HP
-225 TQ
-EPA: 20 City, 29 Highway
2002 Honda Civic SOHC I4 - $12,810
-Curb Weight: 2744 lbs
-1.7L 102 I4
-127 HP
-114 TQ
-EPA: 32/37
2002 Honda Civic DOHC I4 - $19,000
-Curb Weight: 2744 lbs
-2.0L 122 I4
-160 HP
-132 TQ
-26/30
2002 Acura Integra - $21,050
-Curb Weight: 2703 lbs
-1.8L DOHC I4 110ci
-195 HP
-130 TQ
-25/31
2002 Mitsubishi Eclipse - $21,147
-Curb Weight: 3042
-2.4L OHC I4 149ci
-145 HP
-163 TQ
-20/28
You get what you paid for. I have the largest engine, the most power (close to Integra), and the most torque by a LOT. Throw in the fact that I would MUCH rather be seen in a Mustang than any of those 4 bangers or 6cyls and you have the reason that I own a V6 Mustang. Don't compare it to cars of greater value, compare it to cars of equal value, then you start getting places.
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RE: Rant on slow sixxer
ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher
Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.
Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.
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Posts: 1,070
From: IL
RE: Rant on slow sixxer
ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher
ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it. You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang. Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang. Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang. to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones). No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts. They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump. I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer. Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do. They actually care about earning our business. Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.
ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it. You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang. Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang. Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang. to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones). No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts. They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump. I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer. Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do. They actually care about earning our business. Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.
also hte largest 300zx dealer in the country takes 3 days to get a part, can you imagine if you didn't live by the "largest" dealer how easy it would be to get parts. think about it.
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RE: Rant on slow sixxer
ORIGINAL: eaglecatcher
ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it. You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang. Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang. Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang. to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones). No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts. They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump. I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer. Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do. They actually care about earning our business. Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.
ok, take the mustang I have, and put the 300ZX I want up against it. You race them both stock, and the Z will kill the mustang. Put 10 grand into both, and the Z will still kill the mustang. Even though the NA 300ZXs respond very lackluster to mods, it would still kill a mustang. to get any decent power out of the 3.8 for a decent price, you've got to go F/I, and if you go F/I with the mustang, that makes it fair to go F/I with the Z, and a 300ZXTT will kill pretty much any mustang ever made (stock ones). No it wont take two weeks to get a water pump in for the Z, here in Dallas, there is a Nissan Dealer that specializes in 300ZX parts. They are pretty much the largest 300ZX parts dealer in the US, and they have everything, so no it wouldn't take 2 weeks to get a water pump. I had to get my ujoint on my driveshaft replaced, and it took about 3 days to get one, and thats how long it would take to get something fromthe Nissan dealer. Dont getmad at me just because ford doesn't put any R&D into their cars like japanese manufs do. They actually care about earning our business. Ford just thinks they can sit on their haunches and use the "support your country and buy domestic" crap to keep them afloat.
i think not.
1. the 300ZX TT is a top of the line model not a base model. take a NA 300 ZX and it will not outrun the stang by more than 1 car.
if it took you that long to find a U-joint for your stang then it's your fault cause everybody carries them.
R&D for Jap cars is no different than american cars. take a base model Nissan Sentra and compare it with a base model stang. same slow *** soft riding fuel efficient type of a car.
$10,000 into a 3.8 will get you into the mid to low 10's with a 3.8. it will barely get the 300 ZX rebuilt to handle the boost to get into the 11's on the 300ZXTT.
please quit making incredibly uneducated rants based on paper stats on a top of the line model VS a base model. your really making yourself look really dumb and it's really sad
