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Old 07-23-2008, 04:11 PM   #21
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A few other things not yet mentioned:

The S197 has a three link rear end with PHB. The previous generation has a 4 link rear end, no PHB. Talk to anyone who puts their car on a track (road track) and you will find that those serious about getting the SN95 to handle are changing it from the 4 link rear end to either a PHB set up or Watts-Link.

The S197 platform is far stiffer. It doesnt require things like strut tower brace or sub-frame connectors to get it to handle.

The SN95 is smaller and and a couple hundred pounds lighter. Its cheaper to procure and, if you are into handling, there is far more aftermarket support available (perhaps because it needs a lot more). Lots and Lots of Fox's and SN-95s are on road tracks all over the country. For racing, it is the current platform of choice in the American Iron series. Far fewer S197s. This is my observation having visited a number of tracks/races. My theory: its because there are more of them, they are cheaper (who wants to ball up a 25K+ SN197) and the aforementioned aftermarket support.

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Old 07-23-2008, 04:16 PM   #22
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Old 07-23-2008, 04:47 PM   #23
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S197 is better in every way except trunk release and weight as far as I'm concerned...
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:45 PM   #24
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You cant tell me these arn't nice cars and arn't just as hot as an S197.......
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stock for stock the 05+ handels better, rides better, better in snow/rain, more comfy, a little more power, a little quicker, and alot better looking imo.
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:40 PM   #26
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I prefer to call the '94-'04 Mustangs Gen 3 1/2 as they are still Fox based with some structural improvements(as Ford had to do the revise on a tight budget) and really they are a stop-gap between the Fox cars and the S197s(not intending to offend '94-'04 owners, but they aren't a clean sheet design as the Mustang II to the '64 1/2-'73 cars and the Fox to the II was and, of course,the S197 to the SN95 cars). I have seen some really nice SN95 cars and I actually prefer the '94-'95 pushrod GT/Cobras to any other SN95 in looks(ok, the Termies are cool, but cost a lot and are usually driven way too hard). The '99-'04 GTs are nice when lowered with 18" Bullits and are dirt cheap right now(just saw a 40K mile '04 coupe for $10K) and styling is of course a preference, but a V-8 Mustang is a V-8 Mustang and that says it all to me(lol). Go with what makes most sense in your financial situation. I waited for ever to pull the trigger on getting a V-8 Mustang and after nearly caving in in 2003/2004(first a GT then a Mach 1), saw the S197 spy photos and decided to wait and am very happy I did. The two cars a very different(SN95 vs S197) and yes, the S197 feels HUGE when driving compared to the SN95, but the overall refinement make the car smaller as the miles add up IMO.
Of course I'm partial to the S197, but truth be told(after driving a S197 V-6 for a week as my GT was getting it's fuel pump TSB issue resolved), I'd take an SN95 V-8 over any non-V-8 Mustang(yes SVOs too), the V-6 growl just seems too unnatural to my ears and I can't see myself in one. What ever you decide, best of luck.


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Old 07-25-2008, 02:34 PM   #27
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OK, I bit the bullit as it were on a 2008 GT coupe deluxe in torch red
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Mach 1s and Cobras are beasts....u need serious power to outrun them
as for the 03-04 cobras, no s197 GT is anywhere close performance wise. these cobras make 390 crank h.p. they are running with the new 5.0s. from 05-09 the shelby GT500 are BARELY faster than the 03-04 cobra if you can even say that. plus the s197 GTs are SOHC vs DOHC from the mach 1s and 03-04 cobras. check this link out.
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as for the 03-04 cobras, no s197 GT is anywhere close performance wise. these cobras make 390 crank h.p. they are running with the new 5.0s. from 05-09 the shelby GT500 are BARELY faster than the 03-04 cobra if you can even say that. plus the s197 GTs are SOHC vs DOHC from the mach 1s and 03-04 cobras. check this link out.
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5 year old thread here bud.
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5 year old thread here bud.
Yep and lot more powerful Mustangs have entered the market since then.
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