MUST READ. leak problem
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I have/had the leak too. '06 GT. After reading the other thread I went out and put my hand
down the fuse panel hole. Yep, moist carpet and padding. I made mental note to call the dealer
and make an appointment. Spaced it off. I was driving down the highway with my daughter riding shotgun during one our heavy rains...live in Oregon. She put her foot up under the dash in that area and her foot was soaked. Then she noticed the water coming in so much it was dripping on her.
So, I reached up under the dash and water was everywhere.
I called the dealer and they got me in immediately. They were very appologetic and felt bad that such a new car had that bad of a leak.
They removed the interior and did a bunch of tests. They found that water was coming in at the two places mention in this thread, from the gromet in the firewall that the seam between the fender and floorboard.
BUT! they found that the firewall leak was due to the molding at the base of the windshield coming unglued.
That would be the molding at the base of the windshield that also wraps around the wiper posts. They had my car for a week. Ford didn't have the part, they had to wait for it from the manufacture.
So far...no leaks. During that week, they yanked the carpet and let it dryout in the shop before they put it back.
I also got a wash and wax for the trouble.
down the fuse panel hole. Yep, moist carpet and padding. I made mental note to call the dealer
and make an appointment. Spaced it off. I was driving down the highway with my daughter riding shotgun during one our heavy rains...live in Oregon. She put her foot up under the dash in that area and her foot was soaked. Then she noticed the water coming in so much it was dripping on her.
So, I reached up under the dash and water was everywhere.
I called the dealer and they got me in immediately. They were very appologetic and felt bad that such a new car had that bad of a leak.
They removed the interior and did a bunch of tests. They found that water was coming in at the two places mention in this thread, from the gromet in the firewall that the seam between the fender and floorboard.
BUT! they found that the firewall leak was due to the molding at the base of the windshield coming unglued.
That would be the molding at the base of the windshield that also wraps around the wiper posts. They had my car for a week. Ford didn't have the part, they had to wait for it from the manufacture.
So far...no leaks. During that week, they yanked the carpet and let it dryout in the shop before they put it back.
I also got a wash and wax for the trouble.
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Just letting you guys know that I thought my '06 GT was okay with this until Thanksgiving. It poured here in NJ and when I got home from a long car trip I found that the floor of my passenger side IN THE BACK was soaking wet. I didn't have any wetness up front. I took it to the dealer and they said that they fixed it, but I haven't driven in any heavy rain since to test it. I did buy one of those odor absorber things and put it in the back on the floor to try to get rid of the smell. (my dealer didn't bother with drying the carpet...)
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Here are the results from my 2nd visit to the same dealership for the leak issue that did not get fixed with the 1st visit (noted a few posts above):
A QCP C/S WATER LEAKING FROM RIGHT FRONT UNDER DASH
CAUSE: 14498 77 WATER TEST VEHICLE NECESSARY TO REPLACE PASS FRT DOOR OPENING WEATHERSTRIP (20708) FOR COLLAP SED SEAL AT MIRROR MOUNTING MOUNTING LOCATION
20708A WEATHERSTRIP - FRONT DOOR OPENING - REPLACE
69000A DOOR AND WINDOW - WIND NOISE/WATER LEAKS - DIAGNOSIS
1 4R3Z*6320708*AA WEATHERSTRIP ASY - DOOR OPENIN
14498 77 WATER TEST VEHICLE NECESSARY TO REPLACE PASS FRT DOOR OPENING WEATHERSTRIP (20708) FOR COLLAP SED SEAL AT MIRROR MOUNTING LOCATION R AND RT FRT DOOR TRIM PANEL TO ACCESS ADJUST DOOR GLASS UP FOR MISALLIGNMENT DRY CARPETING AND RETEST NO FURTHER LEAKS FOUND AT PASS KICKPANEL AREA AT THIS TIME
I drove the car home from the dealership in a relatively strong rain, but for only about 20 minutes. I also hit every puddle I could find. There only the tiniest bit of dampness if I stuck my finger just under the where the carpet meets the kickpanel. I think that that moisture may have just been left over from when they dried out my carpet after testing, etc. I need to have the car in the rain for a couple of hours or so .... and a couple of times or so to truly conclude that this particular service visit actually fixed the leak. I'll post back here when that happens.
So far, so good.... but inconclusive until further reality testing provided by mother nature.
As a consolation, Ford did pay for my rental car this time.
A QCP C/S WATER LEAKING FROM RIGHT FRONT UNDER DASH
CAUSE: 14498 77 WATER TEST VEHICLE NECESSARY TO REPLACE PASS FRT DOOR OPENING WEATHERSTRIP (20708) FOR COLLAP SED SEAL AT MIRROR MOUNTING MOUNTING LOCATION
20708A WEATHERSTRIP - FRONT DOOR OPENING - REPLACE
69000A DOOR AND WINDOW - WIND NOISE/WATER LEAKS - DIAGNOSIS
1 4R3Z*6320708*AA WEATHERSTRIP ASY - DOOR OPENIN
14498 77 WATER TEST VEHICLE NECESSARY TO REPLACE PASS FRT DOOR OPENING WEATHERSTRIP (20708) FOR COLLAP SED SEAL AT MIRROR MOUNTING LOCATION R AND RT FRT DOOR TRIM PANEL TO ACCESS ADJUST DOOR GLASS UP FOR MISALLIGNMENT DRY CARPETING AND RETEST NO FURTHER LEAKS FOUND AT PASS KICKPANEL AREA AT THIS TIME
I drove the car home from the dealership in a relatively strong rain, but for only about 20 minutes. I also hit every puddle I could find. There only the tiniest bit of dampness if I stuck my finger just under the where the carpet meets the kickpanel. I think that that moisture may have just been left over from when they dried out my carpet after testing, etc. I need to have the car in the rain for a couple of hours or so .... and a couple of times or so to truly conclude that this particular service visit actually fixed the leak. I'll post back here when that happens.
So far, so good.... but inconclusive until further reality testing provided by mother nature.
As a consolation, Ford did pay for my rental car this time.
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I own a 2005 Redfire Convertible that is one of these leaking messes. I have been fighting with Ford for over 4 months now.
The electrical system is shot. I get "check charging system" errors, the radio only works in park and neutral if I drive in the rain or wash the car, the dashboard occasionally goes dead and the mildew smell in the car is so bad that I can't even stand to drive it. The carpet was replaced, but the padding was not. Opening the windows only resorts in mildew smell being circulated around the car. Using the heater is completely out of the question and the stink becomes completely unbearable. When it warms up enough I get condensation on the inside of the car and some sort of white film over the front windshield.
The dealership that "attempted" to fix the car 5+ times has told me there is no smell in the car. None of their sales people will even go near the car as it stinks so badly. (I did not return the car to the dealership where I bought it as the electrical system was questionable enough that I doubted it would make it to where I bought it. Also the dealership where I bought it has a reputation for the worst service in the area.) The technicians claim that I keep dumping water in the car to just to get out of paying for it. The service manager told me that if I didn't like the way they were repairing my car I should just give up and Lemon Law the car. However, if I bought a new Mustang, they would give me $14,000 in trade. They could only give me that because my car would have to be wholesaled out because of the mildew and water damage. Yet they are the ones that claim there is no water damage or smell in the car. Though they do keep reporting to FCC that the car is fine and they can't find anything wrong with it.
In sheer disgust I attempted to trade the car in 3 different Ford dealerships and 2 Chrysler dealersships. The smell is so bad that they suspect major water damage and will not even take the car in trade. (Ford claims that there is nothing wrong with my car, but if that's true, why won't any of their own dealerships take it as a trade in ? Makes you wonder.......)
Ford Customer Care claims that I am the ONLY one with this issue. I have requested to have the car replaced and was told that "we just don't give cars away". Ford Customer Care has phone tag down to an art and manages to only leave me phone messages even though I have my cell phone with me 24/7.
I have given up even attempting to deal with Ford at all. I have had to resort to the BBB and NYS Attorney General's Office. Ford couldn't care less if you get stuck with one of these cars with a leak. As I was told by the dealership where I bought the car, you bought it, took it somewhere else to have it fixed. Now it's YOUR problem. (That was just before they called the police on me for trepassing and impeding on their right to do business.)
The electrical system is shot. I get "check charging system" errors, the radio only works in park and neutral if I drive in the rain or wash the car, the dashboard occasionally goes dead and the mildew smell in the car is so bad that I can't even stand to drive it. The carpet was replaced, but the padding was not. Opening the windows only resorts in mildew smell being circulated around the car. Using the heater is completely out of the question and the stink becomes completely unbearable. When it warms up enough I get condensation on the inside of the car and some sort of white film over the front windshield.
The dealership that "attempted" to fix the car 5+ times has told me there is no smell in the car. None of their sales people will even go near the car as it stinks so badly. (I did not return the car to the dealership where I bought it as the electrical system was questionable enough that I doubted it would make it to where I bought it. Also the dealership where I bought it has a reputation for the worst service in the area.) The technicians claim that I keep dumping water in the car to just to get out of paying for it. The service manager told me that if I didn't like the way they were repairing my car I should just give up and Lemon Law the car. However, if I bought a new Mustang, they would give me $14,000 in trade. They could only give me that because my car would have to be wholesaled out because of the mildew and water damage. Yet they are the ones that claim there is no water damage or smell in the car. Though they do keep reporting to FCC that the car is fine and they can't find anything wrong with it.
In sheer disgust I attempted to trade the car in 3 different Ford dealerships and 2 Chrysler dealersships. The smell is so bad that they suspect major water damage and will not even take the car in trade. (Ford claims that there is nothing wrong with my car, but if that's true, why won't any of their own dealerships take it as a trade in ? Makes you wonder.......)
Ford Customer Care claims that I am the ONLY one with this issue. I have requested to have the car replaced and was told that "we just don't give cars away". Ford Customer Care has phone tag down to an art and manages to only leave me phone messages even though I have my cell phone with me 24/7.
I have given up even attempting to deal with Ford at all. I have had to resort to the BBB and NYS Attorney General's Office. Ford couldn't care less if you get stuck with one of these cars with a leak. As I was told by the dealership where I bought the car, you bought it, took it somewhere else to have it fixed. Now it's YOUR problem. (That was just before they called the police on me for trepassing and impeding on their right to do business.)
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My leak is EXACTLY like what you show in the pic. If you pull off the kick panel and sill plate cover you will get one hell of a nasty surprise. The Smart Junction Box will be dripping with water and the wiring harness next to it will be also dripping.
Ford's new way to fix this problem : They offer you ONE car payment to get you to shut up about the problem. I still take the car in and get the same thing from the dealership, "Ford says we have done all we have to do ". Don't let up !!!! BBB and Lemon Law are your only way out. Ford will NOT help you in anyway.
Ford's new way to fix this problem : They offer you ONE car payment to get you to shut up about the problem. I still take the car in and get the same thing from the dealership, "Ford says we have done all we have to do ". Don't let up !!!! BBB and Lemon Law are your only way out. Ford will NOT help you in anyway.
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OK.... 2nd fix at dealership did not stop my leak. See quote below for results of 3rd visit.
Moderators - sorry about posting across multiple threads on this. I know this one is linked as an "info" thread, but the other large one on the topic became active and I wound up follow it for a bit.
Moderators - sorry about posting across multiple threads on this. I know this one is linked as an "info" thread, but the other large one on the topic became active and I wound up follow it for a bit.
ORIGINAL: celenztah
Welper... 3rd "fix" by dealership completed. I dropped it off this morning and then called Ford Customer Care (hence the speedier than usual repair job - in and out in the same day!).
My service advisor stated the following (but I did not take notes and am still fuzzy on the details):
She had 3 techs focus on the issue. They tried water soaking methods other than their usual pressure test. In this case, it revealed what they all 3 agreed upon as the real source of the water. It actually is coming from the door because of a "weathersheet" that needed to be secured (not sure if that meant it was loose, misalligned or completely un-secured). The door was filling up with water instead of draining out properly. Once it reached capacity, it spilled over (I'm assuming through the door hinge opening) and voila... wound up inside behind the kick panel and onto the carpet. Now that the "weathersheet" has been secured, all 3 techs felt fully confident that the issue will no longer occur since water will now be correctly diverted from within thedoor as it is supposed to be.
This actually makes sense to me and comse close to an earlier post in this (or the other major water leak thread) where someone's dealership told him that it was a clogged drain plug. But that fix did not work.... because perhaps it was the "weathersheet" diverting water to an area within the door that should never see water.
My service advisor said that this Mustang model is built in many ways differently than much of what they have ever seen or dealt with. It seems like a learning experience for all.
BUT.... LOL.... I won't be convinced, once again, until mother nature provides me with 2 - 3 excellent down pours of rain that would ordinarily duplicate the leak. Problem solved???? Maybe..... All I'm telling you is what happened today. I will tell you when the next tomorrow brings some serious natural testing rain conditions though. I personally have good reason to be skeptical...... 'ya reckon??? hehe
But doggone it, I sure as heck hope this was it! My new tires just came in today and I'm having them installed tomorrow. I think there is rain in the forecast for this weekend.
I've come this far with you folks; I will certainly keep you posted as natural tests determine if "this" fix...... fixed the leak. [:@]
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Welper... 3rd "fix" by dealership completed. I dropped it off this morning and then called Ford Customer Care (hence the speedier than usual repair job - in and out in the same day!).
My service advisor stated the following (but I did not take notes and am still fuzzy on the details):
She had 3 techs focus on the issue. They tried water soaking methods other than their usual pressure test. In this case, it revealed what they all 3 agreed upon as the real source of the water. It actually is coming from the door because of a "weathersheet" that needed to be secured (not sure if that meant it was loose, misalligned or completely un-secured). The door was filling up with water instead of draining out properly. Once it reached capacity, it spilled over (I'm assuming through the door hinge opening) and voila... wound up inside behind the kick panel and onto the carpet. Now that the "weathersheet" has been secured, all 3 techs felt fully confident that the issue will no longer occur since water will now be correctly diverted from within thedoor as it is supposed to be.
This actually makes sense to me and comse close to an earlier post in this (or the other major water leak thread) where someone's dealership told him that it was a clogged drain plug. But that fix did not work.... because perhaps it was the "weathersheet" diverting water to an area within the door that should never see water.
My service advisor said that this Mustang model is built in many ways differently than much of what they have ever seen or dealt with. It seems like a learning experience for all.
BUT.... LOL.... I won't be convinced, once again, until mother nature provides me with 2 - 3 excellent down pours of rain that would ordinarily duplicate the leak. Problem solved???? Maybe..... All I'm telling you is what happened today. I will tell you when the next tomorrow brings some serious natural testing rain conditions though. I personally have good reason to be skeptical...... 'ya reckon??? hehe
But doggone it, I sure as heck hope this was it! My new tires just came in today and I'm having them installed tomorrow. I think there is rain in the forecast for this weekend.
I've come this far with you folks; I will certainly keep you posted as natural tests determine if "this" fix...... fixed the leak. [:@]
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ORIGINAL: clayton doucette
Hi all,I too HAD this water leak problem on my 05 mustang.So i went looking for the origin of the problem instead of relying on the dealer (not having any luck finding it.I found it after removing the trim pieces from the passanger side(they just pull off)and peeling back the carpet and turning up the foam underlay to reveal the floof.right where the floor meets the side panel there is a seam that is covered with a ehite sealer of somekind.BUT if you look close you will see a spot where the sealer missed on the side panel.THATS where your water is coming from.and you can only see it leak if you open the hood and pour water down the wiper vent under the hood.It leaksthen,anyway i put silacone all around the little hole and stuffed as much IN the hole and left it to dry for a couple days (along with the carpet and foam insulation.And poured gallons of water down these vents and NO water leak.I hope this helps all of you with the water problem.
Hi all,I too HAD this water leak problem on my 05 mustang.So i went looking for the origin of the problem instead of relying on the dealer (not having any luck finding it.I found it after removing the trim pieces from the passanger side(they just pull off)and peeling back the carpet and turning up the foam underlay to reveal the floof.right where the floor meets the side panel there is a seam that is covered with a ehite sealer of somekind.BUT if you look close you will see a spot where the sealer missed on the side panel.THATS where your water is coming from.and you can only see it leak if you open the hood and pour water down the wiper vent under the hood.It leaksthen,anyway i put silacone all around the little hole and stuffed as much IN the hole and left it to dry for a couple days (along with the carpet and foam insulation.And poured gallons of water down these vents and NO water leak.I hope this helps all of you with the water problem.
Bingo!!
My 2003 GT vert had a similar problem only for me it's the seam where the REAR floorpan meets the outside frame of the car. I pulled up the plastic pieces and carpet and poured water around the front of the car (car on a hill facing up) and the water ran through the rocker panels/frame but instead of exiting at the rear drain holes like it was supposed to, it leaked right through the seam and into the rear passenger floorpan.
Tons of silicon fixed it.
The problem the 05+ guys seem to be having sounds very similar.
At least on my car, Ford uses a sealent on the welded seams and it not only hardens rock hard, it is used sparingly.
One missed spot, or a crack in the sealent, will mean a possible leak.
It may LOOK ok, but observe it when water is poured on the car.
If the grommet does not fix it, I would look at the seams.
It's nice to see Ford is consistant in their problems [8D]
(P.S) see my other posts in the other Leak threads for more details or just PM me.
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RE: MUST READ. leak problem
Thats so weird, i park uphill, well my driveway is uphill so i have no choice, i havent actually noticed any water there, i have an 05 V6 produced in dec05 but bought in March 06
ORIGINAL: MdnytRider
Ok, I'm hopeful I may have sealed the water leak. I removed the passenger side inner wheel well behind the tire. There is a pair of grommets there where a big wiring harness and the antenna come through the firewall (see the picture). Yesterday, I laid inside the car while the wife sprayed water on the right side of the car and it looked like water was coming in there. So today I spread clear silicone around the grommets, waited for it to cure and sprayed water on it again. So far, no water inside.
I'm curious though, how many people have noticed this problem only when parking their car facing uphill. I think it would lend some credence to my theory if it didn't happen when the car was parked facing downhill, as the water would run away from the grommet on the firewall.
Also, if anyone else decides to try this method, let me know if it works for you too.
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Ok, I'm hopeful I may have sealed the water leak. I removed the passenger side inner wheel well behind the tire. There is a pair of grommets there where a big wiring harness and the antenna come through the firewall (see the picture). Yesterday, I laid inside the car while the wife sprayed water on the right side of the car and it looked like water was coming in there. So today I spread clear silicone around the grommets, waited for it to cure and sprayed water on it again. So far, no water inside.
I'm curious though, how many people have noticed this problem only when parking their car facing uphill. I think it would lend some credence to my theory if it didn't happen when the car was parked facing downhill, as the water would run away from the grommet on the firewall.
Also, if anyone else decides to try this method, let me know if it works for you too.
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