Hellion 76mm turbo ?
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Well to each their ownIsuppose. I know several people with hellion kits already thereforeIhave seen first hand their quality. I know hp is a great kit too from what I have read. From what you listed your kit looks complete to me. With the kit I ordered you get:
62mm turbo
ford gtdual pump
HTO sparks with gapping
5,7,9 spring with shims to hit 11
complete stainless piping
Brenspeed custom tunes
Sounds like you got a great deal though. Congratulations!! You should be a happy dude.
62mm turbo
ford gtdual pump
HTO sparks with gapping
5,7,9 spring with shims to hit 11
complete stainless piping
Brenspeed custom tunes
Sounds like you got a great deal though. Congratulations!! You should be a happy dude.
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i installed my hellion on my own, floor jacks and on my back. Wasn't bad at all, took around 20 hours, 6 of which were due to poor instructions on clocking the turbo housing. Brenspeed has since made a video of that, and Hellion added some pics I believe.
I hear what you're saying about $1500 difference. There doesn't seem to be any huge advantages to the Hellion kit. It does fit perfect, every bend was spot on (all Bassani stainless tubing), and I had Brenspeed and hellion service backing it up. That meant a lot to me. The biggest reason though was that Brenspeed is somewhat local. I'd much rather pay more and be able to drive somewhere to sort things out than deal with someone across the country that will never see me or be able help me out like someone local, especially when that service is provided by Brenspeed.
I hear what you're saying about $1500 difference. There doesn't seem to be any huge advantages to the Hellion kit. It does fit perfect, every bend was spot on (all Bassani stainless tubing), and I had Brenspeed and hellion service backing it up. That meant a lot to me. The biggest reason though was that Brenspeed is somewhat local. I'd much rather pay more and be able to drive somewhere to sort things out than deal with someone across the country that will never see me or be able help me out like someone local, especially when that service is provided by Brenspeed.
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ORIGINAL: Stage4
yeah, the hP website says 700hp, not 700rwhp. 700hp is probably 550-600 rwhp, which would make more sense for a 60mm turbo.
As far as my impressions, I love it. Drives like stock until I don't want it to, then it screams. Spool is almost instant, and it will shred the tires in third gear. A lot of people say turbos are hard to tune, but Brenspeed did it with no problems, and their base tunes (non dyno) are incredible. When i dyno'ed it there, they could only get 20-30 more hp out of it from their base tune. If you have any issues, Dave at Brenspeed has done a lot of installs and knows how to do it right. You can't go wrong. Now, once you get up to the 500+ rwhp range, a lot more comes into play that needs to be considered (fuel, MAF, tranny, driveshaft, etc), and some of those will start to affect driveability a little, but nothing that's not worth the power
yeah, the hP website says 700hp, not 700rwhp. 700hp is probably 550-600 rwhp, which would make more sense for a 60mm turbo.
As far as my impressions, I love it. Drives like stock until I don't want it to, then it screams. Spool is almost instant, and it will shred the tires in third gear. A lot of people say turbos are hard to tune, but Brenspeed did it with no problems, and their base tunes (non dyno) are incredible. When i dyno'ed it there, they could only get 20-30 more hp out of it from their base tune. If you have any issues, Dave at Brenspeed has done a lot of installs and knows how to do it right. You can't go wrong. Now, once you get up to the 500+ rwhp range, a lot more comes into play that needs to be considered (fuel, MAF, tranny, driveshaft, etc), and some of those will start to affect driveability a little, but nothing that's not worth the power
To put it simply, a draw through reads BEFORE the air passes and a blow through reads AFTER the air passes. Why don't all turbo kits come as a blow through you ask? Ironically and sadly, the simple answer is because most of the manufacturers want to be in a certain price range and don't want to include the extender and minor tweaks to make it a proper blow through. Sad actually, since it is common sense a blow through is better for precise tuning.
The first thing I would do with any of the current turbo kits is switch it to a blow through if it was a draw through and relocate the BOV and make it 'to atmosphere' type. ('to atmosphere' simply means the BOV releases into the air and not back into the kit)
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Blow = MAF housing/sensor is before throttle body, after turbo/intercooler/BOV. This will provide an accurate signal for the actual amount/temp of air entering the engine.
Suck = MAF is before the turbo inlet (suction side) and is therefore only an estimate of what air will be entering the engine. According to a tuner I talked to, if they have a recirc BOV (bypass) it makes up a little for the draw through design, but not completely.
Suck = MAF is before the turbo inlet (suction side) and is therefore only an estimate of what air will be entering the engine. According to a tuner I talked to, if they have a recirc BOV (bypass) it makes up a little for the draw through design, but not completely.
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ORIGINAL: meekstro
Hellion comes with a 3 inch downpipe I believe. Brenspeed Hellion kit is $5899.00 and its complete turn key. Minus $210 if you have the SCT tuner already. I havent seen any complete turn key kits much cheaper than that. Oh and I will have the entire system by next week. Shipped to my door at no extra charge.
Hellion comes with a 3 inch downpipe I believe. Brenspeed Hellion kit is $5899.00 and its complete turn key. Minus $210 if you have the SCT tuner already. I havent seen any complete turn key kits much cheaper than that. Oh and I will have the entire system by next week. Shipped to my door at no extra charge.
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For the record, tuning a manual like yours has never really been an issue. The tuning nightmares with turbos and big boost are primarily seen on autos. It also is greatly effected by dealing with a draw or ('suck') through system which most of the turbo kits are. A simple matter of adding an extender and moving the meter and BOV on most kits and you can convert them to a blow through. Any tuner who is worth beans will tell you tuning a blow through is much better than a draw through. The difference is great considering a blow through reads from exact measurements and a draw through reads from guesses of 'expected' measurements.
To put it simply, a draw through reads BEFORE the air passes and a blow through reads AFTER the air passes. Why don't all turbo kits come as a blow through you ask? Ironically and sadly, the simple answer is because most of the manufacturers want to be in a certain price range and don't want to include the extender and minor tweaks to make it a proper blow through. Sad actually, since it is common sense a blow through is better for precise tuning.
The first thing I would do with any of the current turbo kits is switch it to a blow through if it was a draw through and relocate the BOV and make it 'to atmosphere' type. ('to atmosphere' simply means the BOV releases into the air and not back into the kit)
ORIGINAL: Stage4
yeah, the hP website says 700hp, not 700rwhp. 700hp is probably 550-600 rwhp, which would make more sense for a 60mm turbo.
As far as my impressions, I love it. Drives like stock until I don't want it to, then it screams. Spool is almost instant, and it will shred the tires in third gear. A lot of people say turbos are hard to tune, but Brenspeed did it with no problems, and their base tunes (non dyno) are incredible. When i dyno'ed it there, they could only get 20-30 more hp out of it from their base tune. If you have any issues, Dave at Brenspeed has done a lot of installs and knows how to do it right. You can't go wrong. Now, once you get up to the 500+ rwhp range, a lot more comes into play that needs to be considered (fuel, MAF, tranny, driveshaft, etc), and some of those will start to affect driveability a little, but nothing that's not worth the power
yeah, the hP website says 700hp, not 700rwhp. 700hp is probably 550-600 rwhp, which would make more sense for a 60mm turbo.
As far as my impressions, I love it. Drives like stock until I don't want it to, then it screams. Spool is almost instant, and it will shred the tires in third gear. A lot of people say turbos are hard to tune, but Brenspeed did it with no problems, and their base tunes (non dyno) are incredible. When i dyno'ed it there, they could only get 20-30 more hp out of it from their base tune. If you have any issues, Dave at Brenspeed has done a lot of installs and knows how to do it right. You can't go wrong. Now, once you get up to the 500+ rwhp range, a lot more comes into play that needs to be considered (fuel, MAF, tranny, driveshaft, etc), and some of those will start to affect driveability a little, but nothing that's not worth the power
To put it simply, a draw through reads BEFORE the air passes and a blow through reads AFTER the air passes. Why don't all turbo kits come as a blow through you ask? Ironically and sadly, the simple answer is because most of the manufacturers want to be in a certain price range and don't want to include the extender and minor tweaks to make it a proper blow through. Sad actually, since it is common sense a blow through is better for precise tuning.
The first thing I would do with any of the current turbo kits is switch it to a blow through if it was a draw through and relocate the BOV and make it 'to atmosphere' type. ('to atmosphere' simply means the BOV releases into the air and not back into the kit)
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Well I will pay a little extra for the piece of mind I get with Hellion being clearly more people use this kit for a reason. The two most popular kits I see are Powerhouse and Hellion which both are in the same price range. Why is this?