Engines
#11
RE: Engines
when it all comes down to it, it is left to the price you pay for what you get
look at the price difference between the cars and you could buy a 4.0 and spend the change of a z on mods and spank him all around all day long. ford is where they need to be on the numbers for the price
not trying to pick any fights but if you dont like it go buy a Z
and besides...
import or domestic? thats what i thought
thats why you are on these forums
look at the price difference between the cars and you could buy a 4.0 and spend the change of a z on mods and spank him all around all day long. ford is where they need to be on the numbers for the price
not trying to pick any fights but if you dont like it go buy a Z
and besides...
import or domestic? thats what i thought
thats why you are on these forums
#12
RE: Engines
It is not all about the power. I look at is as style also. I truly think this era of mustang is very "distinguished", although my stang is not a poster child for reliability I will own another one here shortly.I had a dealer try to sell me on the eclipse yesterday, but in my opinion there are very few cars that stand out any more. If you want the look and feel of a classic that stands out mustangs and vettes are still the clear winners.
#13
RE: Engines
Put it this way. The Nissan motor, like other High output 6'ers,runs like a sewing machine. It's fantastically balanced and able to sustain high RPM far better than the Ford and still give better mileage. A testament to good old fashioned evolution, research and design.
Essentially, both the Ford 4.6 and 4.0 arewhat Ford like to refer to as "retro". IE, under developed and cheap ***.
Simple economics.Make 'em cheap, keep prices low and offer 72 months finance. This is why we spend so much time cheering about stuff like ambient lighting options and Sirius, we are being thrown bones to distract us from what the rest of the world are doing in the automotive world.
PS. I love my Mustang
Essentially, both the Ford 4.6 and 4.0 arewhat Ford like to refer to as "retro". IE, under developed and cheap ***.
Simple economics.Make 'em cheap, keep prices low and offer 72 months finance. This is why we spend so much time cheering about stuff like ambient lighting options and Sirius, we are being thrown bones to distract us from what the rest of the world are doing in the automotive world.
PS. I love my Mustang
#14
RE: Engines
That's what CAIs and tuners are for.
ORIGINAL: viperrmk
Ok guys I have been doing some thinking and hope some of you may shed some light on this.
The S197 V6 engine is rated at 210 hp. Now they use that same engine in LandRover LR3 and is rated at 216 hp. Now how the hell do they get more power out of that one? Also the Nissan 350Z is a V6 as well, with a 3.5L. how do they manage to get more power out of there engine and we are sitting here with 210?
Ok guys I have been doing some thinking and hope some of you may shed some light on this.
The S197 V6 engine is rated at 210 hp. Now they use that same engine in LandRover LR3 and is rated at 216 hp. Now how the hell do they get more power out of that one? Also the Nissan 350Z is a V6 as well, with a 3.5L. how do they manage to get more power out of there engine and we are sitting here with 210?
#15
RE: Engines
I never said I was complaining about my car. Damn you guys are fast to jump to conclusions!! I was just trying to figure out why is it that the V6 SOHC that we have is rated at 210 and the SAME engine that is in the Land Rover is rated at 216 HP???
Also I was just asking why is it that other engines that are almost similar in are engine are making so much more power. I guess the 350Z was a bad example I was just using that as an example.
Yes I know the mustang is the fastest car under $20,000 and I love my car and would never trade it. Eric261 understands what I was asking, Just if you can explane it a little more I guess? So if its just for price then are 4.0 and 4.6 engines have a lot more potential then what can be done to the internals?
Also I was just asking why is it that other engines that are almost similar in are engine are making so much more power. I guess the 350Z was a bad example I was just using that as an example.
Yes I know the mustang is the fastest car under $20,000 and I love my car and would never trade it. Eric261 understands what I was asking, Just if you can explane it a little more I guess? So if its just for price then are 4.0 and 4.6 engines have a lot more potential then what can be done to the internals?
#16
RE: Engines
The land rover is just tuned a little differently. We can achieve 216 very easily. Its just what they decided the land rover needed to get around. I don't know whey Ford essentially de-tuned our 4.0s.. but they did. luckily 20-25 HP is 15 minutes and a few hundred dollars away.
As other have already said... Ford could have easily fitted a high output v6 in our cars.. but as a result... I would not have been able to drive off the lot after paying just over $19,000... the car would have cost a lot more.
As other have already said... Ford could have easily fitted a high output v6 in our cars.. but as a result... I would not have been able to drive off the lot after paying just over $19,000... the car would have cost a lot more.
ORIGINAL: viperrmk
I never said I was complaining about my car. Damn you guys are fast to jump to conclusions!! I was just trying to figure out why is it that the V6 SOHC that we have is rated at 210 and the SAME engine that is in the Land Rover is rated at 216 HP???
Also I was just asking why is it that other engines that are almost similar in are engine are making so much more power. I guess the 350Z was a bad example I was just using that as an example.
Yes I know the mustang is the fastest car under $20,000 and I love my car and would never trade it. Eric261 understands what I was asking, Just if you can explane it a little more I guess? So if its just for price then are 4.0 and 4.6 engines have a lot more potential then what can be done to the internals?
I never said I was complaining about my car. Damn you guys are fast to jump to conclusions!! I was just trying to figure out why is it that the V6 SOHC that we have is rated at 210 and the SAME engine that is in the Land Rover is rated at 216 HP???
Also I was just asking why is it that other engines that are almost similar in are engine are making so much more power. I guess the 350Z was a bad example I was just using that as an example.
Yes I know the mustang is the fastest car under $20,000 and I love my car and would never trade it. Eric261 understands what I was asking, Just if you can explane it a little more I guess? So if its just for price then are 4.0 and 4.6 engines have a lot more potential then what can be done to the internals?
#17
RE: Engines
It is just how the LR3 is set up. It is also the worst engineered car in the world. You are not going to get the best reaction here with a question like that. I have asked some stupid questions and got flamed myself. The people here are passionate about the stang and that is why I keep coming back here. Keep in mind that we drive an Amercian Icon. Also it is Fords MO to put out a cheap sports car. That is what Lee Iacoca had in mind when he released the stang way back when. Go to cars.com and you can see some of the specs for our cars and the competition. Few examples for you.
07 Eclispe 0-60 8.37 07V6 Mustang 0-60 6.98
1/4 mile16.61 @ 84.201/4 mile 15.39 @ 93.85
07 BMW328xi 0-60 6.95 230 HP
1/4 mile 15.39 @ 93.85
There are many cars that can beat ours but a Mustang will always be a Mustang. Beside all i see driving the 350z is chicks and old men. The eclipse I just see chics and metro guys driving that piece of ****.
07 Eclispe 0-60 8.37 07V6 Mustang 0-60 6.98
1/4 mile16.61 @ 84.201/4 mile 15.39 @ 93.85
07 BMW328xi 0-60 6.95 230 HP
1/4 mile 15.39 @ 93.85
There are many cars that can beat ours but a Mustang will always be a Mustang. Beside all i see driving the 350z is chicks and old men. The eclipse I just see chics and metro guys driving that piece of ****.
#19
RE: Engines
Nissan (and other makers)have some engines they have tuned the hell out of straight from the factory. So using the Nissan VQ engine as the example: The higher compression in the Nissan already bumps up power. That higher compression also REQUIRES premium. Mustangs run fine on the goodold cat-pee octane of 87. Four valves vs three(two V6). Other friction and weight reducing parts/methods also help to bump hp.
The Land Rover comparison of 6hp could easily be explained away with a different camshaft profile more suitable for an SUV. Or even an intake with a runner length difference.
The Land Rover comparison of 6hp could easily be explained away with a different camshaft profile more suitable for an SUV. Or even an intake with a runner length difference.
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