well im glad that you all feel the same way i do about these

 

be careful on flea bay and I would not buy them....ask the seller what company makes them or what brand are they.... JMO I like all the ones mentioned above....prefer 304 SS over 409 SS and if you get either type go with the ceramic coating

 

If you are just interested in sound then don't spend the extra money and stay with shorty headers. If you want the added HP and as a bonus, great sound, then get the LTs.